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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Y block with standard four speed transmission, 146 tooth ring gear. When Flywheel removed, no spacer suggesting stock flywheel had been resurfaced. Replace old 146 tooth ring gear with new one and reinstall. Swap original stock starter (assumption) with new high torque starter. What do I have to be looking for to make sure the fist time I crank over the starter I don't clash the starter drive with the flywheel? When I install the new ring gear, there is no provisions to line up the teeth with the starter drive and I did not mark the location of the original. Should I have done this before removing it and if I didnt, how do I get myself out of this mistake? Im thinking the starter gear is designed to come out and engage with the flywheel regardless of the position of the ring gear on the flywheel.
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By Park Olson - 11 Years Ago
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Both the flywheel and starter gear teeth have a bevel to allow engagement.
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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Darrell, The gear does not have to be "clocked", it will align itself when you activate the starter. The engine will not sop in the same place twice.
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Great, so I just heat up the ring until it drops over the flywheel (bevel in the correct direction) and let er cool down and go ahead with assembley? Thats good news.
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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YEP!
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Any issues with the high torque starters that replace the stock starters? Just bolt on and fire up? The one I have uses two bolts instead of three to mount starter to bell housing.
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By Rono - 11 Years Ago
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Darrell;
I wasn't able to use the stock rubber seal when I went to the high torque mini starter on my 56 Customline. It just didn't seem to fit right, but I think a lot of guys don't use them anyway.
Rono
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Rono,
That was the first thing I thought of. I had not test fitted the starter with the seal. I will check that out. Maybe there is another way to seal it that someone has modified when using the high torque. I would think its more to keep dirt out of that area than anything else.
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By paul2748 - 11 Years Ago
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You shouldn't have any issues. I used a high torque starter (54, 312) which used only two bolts and never had any issues with it (about 5 years ago). I use the car a lot. That is what I did - bolted it up and fired it up.
Outlaw56 (5/3/2014)
Any issues with the high torque starters that replace the stock starters? Just bolt on and fire up? The one I have uses two bolts instead of three to mount starter to bell housing.
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By MoonShadow - 11 Years Ago
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The only problem I've had is with moisture getting in while stored. Had to take it all apart and clean. A local racer told me he takes his out in the winter and stores it in a heated garage. Chuck
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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I tried installing the stock seal in the bell housing, then bolted the high torque in place and everything seems to snug up pretty good. Where I can see a lot of daylight looking under the bell without the washer, now its all dark, except for one little spot at the top. Appears that it seals it pretty well using the stock seal. Does anyone know if the original assembley had lock washers on the bolts holding the starter to the bell housing?
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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Darrell, I use the lock washers, no seal and no problems. BUT my car winters in a dry heated garage. Starter is from Auto Electric and is 7 or 8 years old, no issues yet, but if there is they will take good care of you. He seems to remember everybody he ever sold a starter to.
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Thanks Pegleg, When the gasket is installed, it does want to put the starter in a bit of a bind so maybe better off not to go there anyway. This truck is only a daily driver (minmum usage) throughout the summer months, then she gets put up for the winter.
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By charliemccraney - 11 Years Ago
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I probably have 20k miles on one on a year round daily driver and no problems.
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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Thanks Charlie, did you use the stock gasket in between the starter and bell or just bolt er on n go?
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By charliemccraney - 11 Years Ago
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No gasket. My truck hasn't had one since I've owned it.
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By PF Arcand - 11 Years Ago
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The subject of mini starters has come up before. I don't recall some of the details..but a question occurs to me. Do these starters engage from the front or the back? Originals engage from the back & the stop tabs are on the flywheels accordingly. Related to my question is the fact that "early" F.E. starters will also apparently work on Y-Blocks.. but, post 1964 ones engage from the front & this has apparently resulted in the odd case, of ring gears being driven off the flywheel.. not a minor inconvenience! Just food for thought.
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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Paul, They do engage from the "wrong" side. I thought about reversing the ring gear but was told it wasn't necessary. So far it has not been (8 years).
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By PF Arcand - 11 Years Ago
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A further head scratcher re these so called "high torque" mini starters? They are much smaller than original types of starters..so, how is it they supposedly have higher torque? Do they use a gear reduction setup or what supposedly makes them better, other than their smaller size?
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By charliemccraney - 11 Years Ago
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They can be clocked for more clearance which could be necessary for some applications. And, in my experience, they last where rebuilds do not.
As far as the high torque, I don't know the precise reason but just as a modern, much smaller v6 can produce more power than most older v8s, the more modern starter has more power than the starters of 1950s vintage. The replacement for displacement, or bulky old starters, is technology.
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By Outlaw56 - 11 Years Ago
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When you go to replace one, I know which one Id rather install or remove.
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By pegleg - 11 Years Ago
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Paul, Yes, gear reduction, higher motor speed.
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