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By PF Arcand - 11 Years Ago
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I'm trying to assemble a decent set of ECG rockers, (on new shafts) from two sets on hand. Am left scratching my head, because they all have the interference style adjusters, but most of them are so tight in the rocker, as to be almost impossible to turn. Even using a 9" centre to centre spanner & even a short flex bar, with penitrating oil, they are extremely tight. (On the other hand, I removed one adjuster from a very worn rocker & when I switched it to a better rocker, it was only finger tight all the way down.) There's no rust on the tight threads & they are not crossed. I went to Eickman's Y-Blk book, pages # 36 & 37 but that just caused confusion, because one of the illistrations shows an ECG with a locknut style adjuster & the 1.43 rocker with an interference fit adjuster. Is that a mistake? It was my understanding that the ECG rockers of 1956/57 all used the interference fit adjusters. No?. The only other thing that comes to mind is, that someone has replaced the original adjusters with oversize thread adjusters, which were available at one time. If so they weren't needed! There does not appear to be any markings on the adjusters.. Any clarification would be appreciated.. Thanks
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By Brodie55 - 11 Years Ago
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Paul:
I have the 1.54 rockers with the jam nuts, so they were available.
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By Chuck - 11 Years Ago
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I have a spare set of old style rocker arm adjusters with locknuts if you're interested. I've had both styles of adjusters in the 1.54 rockers, my assumption this is the locknut is a '56 item where the interference fit is a 57 & up.
The interference fit appears to have been accomplished by broaching the adjuster die. This would have cut the apex off the thread of the die, resulting in a shallower root on the adjuster thread. If the adjuster is going into a rocker that never had an interference fit unit, the adjuster will have to move some metal on the rocker on the way in. I'd use some light machine oil while threading to prevent galling.
Another "trick" is to put the rockers (but not the adjusters) in the oven at 400 degrees F for about a half hour. Adjusters will go in more easily when the rockers are warm.
Hope this helps you a bit.
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By PF Arcand - 11 Years Ago
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Chuck & Brodie: So, if I understand your posts, some ECGs came originally with screw & Lock nut style adjusters? ( Eickman's book just says the later style was introduced in 1956.) That likely explains why they are overly tight, as someone switched from the early style adjusters, that's likely why they showed up at a swap meet... I have no suitable tap or knowledge of what that thread is, so to try running a tap in to them is likely out. I don't think heating them is the answer in this case either, because when they cooled they would still be almost impossible to work with. When I said they are tight, they are very tight! I do have another set of rockers here to disassemble & work with. - Thanks
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By Chuck - 11 Years Ago
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PF - yes. Ford continually made changes to their product through its run. The rockers I have are about half and half. According to Ted, there's no penalty for running the heavier locknut type adjusters, so if you've the pieces to make it work - go for it!
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By slick56 - 11 Years Ago
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New adjusters with lock nuts from J Mummert have an internal hex to suit an allen key.
I guess that would save a little weight.
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By Ted - 11 Years Ago
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Here are a couple of past threads regarding the ‘interference fit’ threads on the ’57 and up rockers.
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost107602.aspx
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/FindPost98395.aspx
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By Daniel Jessup - 11 Years Ago
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I recently rebuilt a set of ECG 6564 rocker arm assemblies like you and put on new shafts, etc. When I started the process, there was a mismatch of adjusters... actually 3. The original lock nut style (I really believe that all ECG assemblies came from the factory that way... at least the ones I have seen). Someone had replaced 5 of the lock nuts with interference fit adjusters - why I have no idea. But they were so tight I had to literally use a vise and a breaker bar on each individual rocker. A better idea would have been to heat them up but I was in a hurry so I didn't want to get the torch out, etc. I replaced those interference fit with lock nut adjusters, and we are all good. I personally prefer the lock n ut adjuster over the interference.
The oddity was that there were two different heads on the interference adjusters - one was 1/2 and the other 7/16... don't know what all of that was about - could have been an aftermarket anyway, but what a pain in the keister for the guy trying to adjust the rockers with those things all installed, you would need half your toolbox!!
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By lyonroad - 11 Years Ago
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Daniel Jessup (11/6/2014)
The oddity was that there were two different heads on the interference adjusters - one was 1/2 and the other 7/16... don't know what all of that was about - could have been an aftermarket anyway, but what a pain in the keister for the guy trying to adjust the rockers with those things all installed, you would need half your toolbox!!
Daniel, as I understand it the adjusters with the smaller head are the ones with the slightly over sized threads. Don't quote me though - check it out.
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By 2721955meteor - 11 Years Ago
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picked up 4 new rockers at clasic frome german ford v6,they had 7/16 size screw,ued the screw on y rockers and they wher tight but worked. anoying when adjusting with 2 sizes to deal with. rockers them selves had smaller shaft
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By 2721955meteor - 11 Years Ago
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picked up 4 new rockers at clasic frome german ford v6,they had 7/16 size screw,ued the screw on y rockers and they wher tight but worked. anoying when adjusting with 2 sizes to deal with. rockers them selves had smaller shaft
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