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By johnny j - 10 Years Ago
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Anyone here mounted an AOD trans to their y block? Got a kit in the mail right now. Wondering how it was to set up. Planning on loosing sleep with the T. V. cable. JJ
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By Rono - 10 Years Ago
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JJ
Is you kit for an AOD or a C4? I didn't think there were any kits on the market for mating an AOD to a Y Block, but I'm interested in what you have.
Rono
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By Doug T - 10 Years Ago
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Is there really a kit for AOD to Y block? The answer is Yes there is the Bendtsen set up as shown below and also Gary Croan does it another way. As far as I know Hollywood Automotive is not in business as such anymore
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By HT32BSX115 - 10 Years Ago
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johnny j (1/9/2015)
Anyone here mounted an AOD trans to their y block? Got a kit in the mail right now. Wondering how it was to set up. Planning on loosing sleep with the T. V. cable. JJ
Howdy,
The AOD is a pretty good trans.
WIth the Baumann Engr control box the AODE can be a much better choice and you can tailor the up & down shift points + the TC lockup points as you wish.
http://www.becontrols.com/aode.htm
I have a Bentsen adapter to bolt my 292 to an E4OD and an Baumann TCS controller to operate it.
If I was doing it again, I would get their latest US SHIFT model.
With a throttle position sensor on your carburetor, using the AODE, you completely eliminate the need for the mechanical (TV) cable that gives some so much grief!
Here's an older picture of my 292 bolted to an E4OD. This is the same adapter you would use with an AOD/AODE
Regards,
Rick
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By johnny j - 10 Years Ago
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Here is the contact info. I've been researching this setup for a few months now. Very excited. The kit allows for a number of Ford transmissions to be installed with one kit. All good reviews.
Bendtsen’s Transmission Center Inc. 763 767 4480
13603 Johnson St NE, Ham Lake, MN. 55304
bob@transmissionadapters.com
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By HT32BSX115 - 10 Years Ago
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johnny j (1/9/2015)
Here is the contact info. I've been researching this setup for a few months now. Very excited. The kit allows for a number of Ford transmissions to be installed with one kit. All good reviews. Bendtsen’s Transmission Center Inc. 763 767 4480 13603 Johnson St NE, Ham Lake, MN. 55304 bob@transmissionadapters.com
While the Bendtsen adapter is fairly expensive, it is designed and intended for the AOD/AODE. It just happens to work with the E4OD........as long as it's the small block/300-6 trans housing being used.
The E4OD was available with case/bell-housings to fit the 460, 7.3L diesel, and small block V-8/300-6......... Mine originally came out of a 1994 diesel F-450.
Since all the internals are the same, A trans repair friend of mine was able to swap to the correct case and built me up a trans to go on the back of my 292....he also got me the brake unit on the back of it.
I haven't worked on my project in the last few years much but I'm back at it again. I hope to get the engine running with the trans on it in the next few months!
Regards,
Rick
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By Rono - 10 Years Ago
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A lot of good information and new options I didn't know were available.
Thanks,
Rono
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By MoonShadow - 10 Years Ago
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I did the AOD conversion years ago. All has been smooth since. Although Bendtsen's is a bit pricey they provide everything you need including a high torque starter. The only problem I've had is with the starter. These small starters do not line to be left unused for long periods, like winter storage. The will seize up. This happend to me twice. A local racer that uses the same starter says he takes his out when the car is stored for long term. Of course with the cold and damp in New England that probably has something to do with it. The AODE conversion requires the addition of a computer to shift it. I didn't want to open that bucket of worms. Chuck
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By DryLakesRacer - 10 Years Ago
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MoonShadow...My thought exactly.
1. Is there any cabling or mechanical arm to the trans when you use an AOD or is the shift change up and down controlled by a vacuum modulator.
2. My concern is the replacing my 56 stock air cooled trans with as little "heartache" as possible.
3. Making a rear mount is not a problem eigther.
4. Can you adapt the standard column shift arm to the side of the trans so it is close for the indicator. Thanks
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By Buzz - 10 Years Ago
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I've had an AOD in my 56 CV for a few years now, I used the Gary Croan adapter. Everything works great and I haven't had any problems with anything including the shift sensor cable. It made the car so much nicer to drive - I couldn't believe the difference. I've even drag raced the car 2 years in a row now at the West Coast Y-block shootout!
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By MoonShadow - 10 Years Ago
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The cable is not a big problem. There are carb adapters for them and directions to set them up. Warning, don't drive the car until the cable is set up. If its off the transmission can burn up quickly. All you need to set it up is a old pressure gauge that fits a normal sized fitting on the transmission and a little patience. Mine was touchy at first to get the right pressure but I finally got it right. You can touch it up by little turns (1/4?) to change the shift points.
I also put in a high performance shift kit and a 2500 stall converter. I made a mount for the rear with a piece of heavy flat steel about 3" wide with a piece of square tube welded to it. Drilled large holes, to allow a socket to pass, through the bottom plate and then small holes in the upper piece for the mount to bolt through. I did have to have a new drive shaft made too but that's just a matter of finding a shop to do it. Shifting lever is pretty near stock and could be worked on to make it better. I got park, reverse and neutral very close while still being able to pull it down into first. Chuck
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By Rono - 10 Years Ago
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Buzz;
Tell me more about the Gary Croan adapter. Is he selling kits? If so, can you provide any contact info?
Thanks,
Rono
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By kansas - 10 Years Ago
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I did aod 2 years ago works great
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By PF Arcand - 10 Years Ago
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Gary Croan's contact info as in a recent 2014 Y-Block Mag is- garycroan@gmail.com or 949-722-1122 in Costa Mesa CA. I think his setup is somewhat different than the Bendtsen kit, but you'll have to check that out. I think he also operates as Bristol Services ?
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By Doug T - 10 Years Ago
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Buzz,
Could you provide some more info about Gary Croan's AOD installation? I believe he is cutting some of the bell housing off the AOD and welding a suitably modified Aluminum Y block bell housing in place. These bell housing came with early 60's 2 speed Fordomatics . I have never seen one in the metal. What did he use for a Flex plate and starter? Did he relocate the starter?
Hollywood Automotive's owner had another concept. He used a thin plate maybe 1/2" thick with Flat head allen screws to match the Y bolt pattern and then tapped the plate for the AOD bolt pattern I believe he had to cut away some of the AOD bell for the starter. There was a mockup at a Yblock shootout in 2005 and an article in YBM about the same time. But I tried to contact him several years ago to see if he was still in production but I was unsuccessful contacting the owner. The pic shows the mockup but unfortunately I was more impressed with the carbs than the trany!
I am not too fond of the Bendtsen adaptor because it adds so much length to the engine trany combo and I do not like the spacer bolted to the back of the crank. But they seem to work OK.
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By HT32BSX115 - 10 Years Ago
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Since no one has said anything about it I suppose it might be good to mention the AOD's 0.67:1 over-drive.
Since It's pretty "tall", rear axle ratio selection might be somewhat important.
Chosen correctly, you can get a very nice (low) "freeway speed" RPM that might produce equally nice mileage once you're in OD with the torque converter locked.
The AODE + required transmission controller isn't really the "can-O-worms" one might expect. Wiring it up isn't any harder than wiring up the lights, heater, radio etc.
You DO need a VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor that bolts into the tailshaft of the trans) AND a TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) Holley has a rather inexpensive kit for most of their carbs.......
Programming is quite easy using a laptop. (I suspect Carl Baumann is working on a wireless Smartphone or tablet application that'll make it even easier)
Either way, the AOD & (E) seems like it was "MADE" for the Y-block! And there's LOTS of them out there for all of us!
Cheers,
Rick
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By MoonShadow - 10 Years Ago
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The Groan setup uses a Ford-O-Matic bell housing that he modifies to fit the AOD. I think he uses the stock Y starter but I'm not sure. The Bendtsen adapter is a 1.5" to 2" adapter plate with a spacer for the crankshaft. Moves the whole setup back an inch or two. The plate is pre drilled for the high torque starter. The starter is the same as the ones available for the scrubs but bolts directly so the starter doesn't require an adapter. They are fairly easy to come by. My starter rebuilder says the core is a Nissan-Denso but has no idea what the base application is. All the others of this type are sold with adapters. I bought a replacement for a scrub a year ago and simply removed the aluminum adapter. I was already running a 3.80 gear so my results were good. I have a set of 4.10's I plan to put in soon. The 3.80's cruise at about 2500 at 65mph. Not bad at all. Check your station wagon for ratio I think some of them came with lower gears. Does the wagon have the Spicer rear axle (like the T-Birds)? Chuck
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By Grizzly - 10 Years Ago
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I'm currently installing a AOD to my 56 mainline ute using the bendtsen kit. the ute uses the sunliner chassis with the enormous X member. the problems I have encontered so far have envoled clearencing issues. (and me getting around to doing some work)
I don't necessarily see the TV cable as being that much of an issue. After all they were installed on millions of cars on a production line. Can't be that hard, Can it? but I'm yet to try. Lokar do a generic cable kit with a pre tensioning tool. It needs a helper spring for return.
Some see the hydraulic valve body as an advantage in it's simplicity over an electronic unit.
If you are looking for AOD core transmissions look for one with the prefix PF-E9 these will have the lubrication mod and the later valve body. Other desirable mods are the 2" od band with matching pressed reversing drum, mecanical diode, A+ servo. This transmission is popular there are many choices for parts and built units.
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By MoonShadow - 10 Years Ago
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There is an adjustment block for the TVI cable that is probably what they use at the factory. I would rather actually see the pressure to be sure. Once adjusted its a done deal. The later and better trans is definitely a good way to go. Mine was out of a 5.0 Mustang. Chuck
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By Buzz - 10 Years Ago
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the Croan adapter uses a cut down fordomatic bell housing with a steel plate welded in with the AOD bolt pattern and keeps the stock starter as well, We used an after market oil cooler in front of the radiator and the standard radiator cooler as well.
With the help of Joe Piraino @
"Westminster Performance Transmission"
714)898-0089
I was able to upgrade to the closer gear set in the AOD and a performance stall converter - we also used a Lokar shifter to finish it off. I also
upgraded to a 4.00 posi rear gear too... it has been pretty much plug and play since the installation with no headaches to speak of.
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By MoonShadow - 10 Years Ago
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I think Flat-O-Matic makes an adapter too. Never saw one though. Chuck
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By PWH42 - 10 Years Ago
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I talked to Croan a couple years ago about an AOD for my car and his setup is probably the best way to go.But,and it's a big but,the cost of his setup is a lot more dollars than most of us are willing to spend.I don't remember the figure ,but it was way up in the 4 figure range.I believe it was in the neighborhood of $5000.
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