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By marvh - 8 Years Ago
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Here is a link to a very informative site. Click on it then look for the Education Zone
I have done several engine, mostly transmission swaps mating to y-blocks using the info from this pub and have had great luck with drive line setup.
https://www.iedls.com/
marv
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By MoonShadow - 8 Years Ago
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They are not showing on my pc.
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By PF Arcand - 8 Years Ago
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58 Meteor: there was a fellow on this site very familiar with Y-Blocks and so on, lived in Redciff Alberta. However, his name or handle escapes me at the moment (?) If it comes to me I'll post it..
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By PF Arcand - 8 Years Ago
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The rarity of 58s especially Rancharo's, sedan deliveries & 2 dr wagons, especially Meteors, is in part because 1958 was a substaintial recession year in both the USA & Canada. Further, like many car manufacturers of that era, rust control efforts were minimal & to excellerate the rust issue, around that time, major cities, especially in north eastern areas started using road salt during the winters. Virtually a death knell to regularly winter driven cars of that era.. The problem was so bad that owners of 1957-58 ( & later?) Chrysler products, took up a class action suite against the company for rust issues...
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By aussiebill - 8 Years Ago
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Surely if engine is on stock rngine mounts and trans mount is original, its where it should be.
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By miker - 8 Years Ago
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Something not mentioned, what's the level show on the intake manifold carb mounting flange? I think that's pretty close to level, but I'm out of town and can't check mine right now.
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By Park Olson - 8 Years Ago
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miker (1/13/2017)
Something not mentioned, what's the level show on the intake manifold carb mounting flange? I think that's pretty close to level, but I'm out of town and can't check mine right now.
What he said,,,,,,,,,,
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By Outlaw56 - 8 Years Ago
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I actually thought the pinion and crankshift angles were correctly set in a driver 2 degrees off so when the engine and driveshaft came under torque, that would put everything parellel. Is that not correct? If they are set perfectly parellel, I thought under torque, they would not be parellel. Another thing I have wondered is when the pinion and crank are parellel up and down, what about side to side? Some engines are not centered from front to rear between the frame rails, and some rear axels do not have the differential centered in the middle of the axel. Its ok to be parellel up and down, but side to side does not matter?
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By Outlaw56 - 8 Years Ago
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I think I finally understand it. Im going to set the carb within 3 degrees of ride height front to back and level side to side. Then make sure the pinion and crankshaft are parellel with a little bit of adjustment taking into consideration leaf springs.
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By 58rancho - 8 Years Ago
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I have a 58 Ranchero with a 292, I went out to the garage and took a look. It does sit higher in the front and slopes to the rear
probably 2"-3". My car is a stick, it is an original 292 car, but does have a later 4-spd. I hope this is helpful!
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By 58rancho - 8 Years Ago
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You are welcome. I really like the grille on your Meteor! I tried to buy one for mine, but the price is very high, IF you can find one. James Q
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By NoShortcuts - 8 Years Ago
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Marv. THANKS for the link. GooD reference information! Much appreciated as I change things. 
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By Bobwanna - 8 Years Ago
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The only pix I could see was on original post. Great looking Ranchero. On later posts 4 of the pix did not display. Hope to see more of your Ranchero. I did not know they made them in Canada.
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By Bobwanna - 8 Years Ago
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58meteorranchero
58meteor.... Thanks for reposting. The pix came thru just fine. You have a great looking Ranchero. Your 58 Meteor Ranchero is indeed very very rare! Even here in the states I have never seen a 58 Ranchero, although I have seen a number of 57 and 59 Rancheros. I am thinking that this might be a good vehicle to try to get into Hemmings "Classic Car" magazine to enlighten many that they do indeed exist. I like all of the Rancheros and wondered why they stopped at 79? I heard that Ford was going to do one based on the Fairmont chassis?? Anyways, I do have a very original 68 Fairlane based Rancher that I am currently working on. Cheers - Bob
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By DryLakesRacer - 8 Years Ago
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Normally Rancheros were a little higher in the rear due to the fact it's a truck built to haul something. With your saying the transmission pan is level would tell me everything is OK. Nice Ford.
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By 62bigwindow - 8 Years Ago
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You can pick them up at any of the big home improvement stores. I got mine at Home Depot.
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By 62bigwindow - 8 Years Ago
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Oops forgot to mention. Nice car! Love to see more of it.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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Hey all I am putting down my first post as I have been a lurker for a long time. I am in the final assembly stages of my 1958 Meteor Ranchero and am noticing that the engine is sitting far from level and I cannot see if there is a way to fix this short of shimming the fordomatic at the mount. Is it natural for the engine to have an 3/8+ over 6" lean to the back? Will this cause issues. The transmission is almost level as measured at the pan of the transmission. Here is a picture of the car so you all can see.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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From Alberta Edmonton to be exact. Really tough to get parts and expensive not to mention hard to find people who know these old cars. I have learned a lot the hard way on this project.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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That is just what I was hoping thanks for that.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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It was a two year run only (57-58) and I have not found anybody else with a 58 as they only made a total of 86 of both 66A and 66B type during the 58 year. There is a 1957 I know of in the city up here they are a little bit more plentiful.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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A few pictures as requested. I am now waiting for a final few touches namely exhaust (trying to decide single of dual), front end alignment and a few interior clean ups. Then sadly three more months until the snow goes away.
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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I will try again
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 58meteorranchero - 8 Years Ago
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By 2721955meteor - 8 Years Ago
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just buy a cheap magnetic 36o level, check engine(install tool on front crank damper,then do the rear diff flange ,if the degrees are with in 5degrees you are ok)
engine mounts are critical, the front 2 are prone to delimitation.on my 57 ranchero the 1s from lord good for 1 year only,tho there warrantee covered the last set. nice meteor. cliff in surrey
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By 2721955meteor - 8 Years Ago
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OlWeldinrig (1/12/2017)
I am not sure about how level they are supposed to sit but what is important is the driveshaft angles and whether trans u joint and diff match for angles.I know I had a truck with bad "pucks or mounts on trans and it threw the angle out and causes u joint to last only about 6 months.I would likely check angles if you are worried. Nice Meteor,Where are you from? the tool is called a #36 magnetic poleycast protractor very handy,don't remember where i purchase it
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By 2721955meteor - 8 Years Ago
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marves sujested website is a bit misleading, first of all the 2x4s ar not required. the dana manual says 5degrees is ideal.up down or sideways engine ,or diff position as long as the 5dg is adhered to also engine and diff parallel.( example is early ford ecoline vans had rear diff to 1side as 4x4 front diffs)
THE KEY TO THE 5DG # IS VEHICLE MUST BE ON THE GROUND IN ITS FINISHED STATE(WEIGHT) for final setup..as you go down the road with leaf rear springs the angle will change as diff goes up and down with no problems. a prefect aligned eng. to diff will cause short u joint life.So with vehicle on the ground as final adjust you will be fine. carb angle is easy adjusted with marine typ spacers. so don't screw you drive line angle for how the engine angle looks.
marves site showed the right protractor,best result is re suggested front damper check then diff input yoke(5degrees)
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By 2721955meteor - 8 Years Ago
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Outlaw56 (1/31/2017)
I actually thought the pinion and crankshift angles were correctly set in a driver 2 degrees off so when the engine and driveshaft came under torque, that would put everything parellel. Is that not correct? If they are set perfectly parellel, I thought under torque, they would not be parellel. Another thing I have wondered is when the pinion and crank are parellel up and down, what about side to side? Some engines are not centered from front to rear between the frame rails, and some rear axels do not have the differential centered in the middle of the axel. Its ok to be parellel up and down, but side to side does not matter? Not correct. engine can be over but must be parallel with diff ,engine can be up or down as long as trans output is within 5dgrees face to face with diff. with 4wheels on the ground with normal weight of the car. this angles will chang when driving but if you start out close all will be fine
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By Rowen - 8 Years Ago
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For some reason my I phone didn't pick up the pics in the last 3 posts. Is it just me?
Rowen
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By Rowen - 8 Years Ago
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Very nice indeed!!
Rowen
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By 57RancheroJim - 8 Years Ago
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Pictures not showing now, they were earlier on my PC..
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By chris70 - 8 Years Ago
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Wow,that's a beatuy!!!!
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By OlWeldinrig - 8 Years Ago
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I am not sure about how level they are supposed to sit but what is important is the driveshaft angles and whether trans u joint and diff match for angles.I know I had a truck with bad "pucks or mounts on trans and it threw the angle out and causes u joint to last only about 6 months.I would likely check angles if you are worried.
Nice Meteor,Where are you from?
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By charliemccraney - 8 Years Ago
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I saw them yesterday. Today I don't. If I click on them, a google accounts log in page comes up. If the pictures are hosted on another site, make sure they are visible to anyone.
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By Ted - 8 Years Ago
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58meteorranchero (1/12/2017)
....... I am in the final assembly stages of my 1958 Meteor Ranchero and am noticing that the engine is sitting far from level and I cannot see if there is a way to fix this short of shimming the fordomatic at the mount. Is it natural for the engine to have an 3/8+ over 6" lean to the back? Will this cause issues? The transmission is almost level as measured at the pan of the transmission. .... ?
Most car and pickup engines will sit with about a 3°- 4° incline to the rear. I don’t have a Thunderbird here in which to check but I suspect they sit reasonably close to level due to the engines simply sitting lower in the chassis. The rearward angle of the engine provides parallel lines between the crankshaft and the pinion so that driveline geometry can be optimized. As a general rule for street driven vehicles, the driveshaft is not aligned in a single straight line but instead with the two lines of sight being parallel with each other; this promotes a constant needle bearing movement in the u-joints. Drag cars are different scenario in that then crankshaft and pinion are perfectly aligned simply to eliminate any potential HP loss due to any angle in the u-joints; in these cases the needle bearings in the u-joints do not rotate within the cups and must be serviced on a frequent basis.
For the cars and pickups with their engines and rear ends in the stock locations, you can check that the carburetor is sitting level which will indicate all is well regardless of any obvious lean to the rear of the engine.
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