By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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What size do you recommend to install in Holley 94 3x2 set up. Vintage Speed says 2.5. I am not sure . Thanks
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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ADD ON > Speedway motors said to add a PVCR power valve restrictor to each carb instead of a block for the outer 2. This they say is different lengths of stainless steel piano wire. If that is the case then I ask how and wher do you install the wire? This is all new to me. Thanks again
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By paul2748 - 17 Years Ago
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What kind of cam are you running? Usually, the more aggressive the cam the lower the power valve.
Stock is around 6.5 or 7.5. If you have a mild cam, I would start with a 5.5
As far as the piano wire thing, this is a new one for me.
55Birdman (5/27/2008) What size do you recommend to install in Holley 94 3x2 set up. Vintage Speed says 2.5. I am not sure . Thanks
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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I have stock 292. with 3x2s. carb leaks down and I was told to look at power valve replacement. Go to speedway motors and search powervalve. When holley powervalve comes up look at the tips section. There it says aboiut the piano wire. I am lost as well.
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By charliemccraney - 17 Years Ago
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It sounds like they are saying to restrict the path of fuel to the powervalve to reduce the amount of fuel each carb delivers, in an effort to get all three power valves to provide the fuel of only one powervalve. How big is the hole the valve screws into? Is there an orifice the piano wire can fit into?
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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I havent taken the valve out yet so the hole size is unknown at this time. I am just trying to figure out what they are talking about before I do anything. At this time I cant even venture a wild a%% guess. I am still scratching my head.
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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Here is what the "Tip Sheet" says from Speedway: IT IS COMMON TO PUT IN LOWER NUMBERED VALVES IN MULTIPLE CARB APPLICATIONS. IF YOU USE A STANDARD VALVE USED IN SINGLE CARBS THE ENGINE WILL BE RICH. IF YOU ARE CRUISING AT 55MPH AND STEP ON THE GAS TO PASS , THE VACUUM DROPS AND ALL 3 VALVES COULD OPEN CAUSING THE ENGINE TO GET 3 TIMES THE GAS IT NEEDS. AT WIDE OPEN THROTTLE (WOT)THE ENGINE CAN COPE WITH THE FUEL. IF YOU USE A LOWER NUMBERED VALVE BELOW 45 IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF A POWER ENRICHMENT SYSTEM. IF THE VALVES DONT OPEN TILL WOT THE BENIFIT OF APPLYING A BIT OF FUEL WHEN THE THROTTLE IS OPENED IS LOST. A BETTER WAY IS TO PLUG THE OUTER CARBS AND USE A STANDARD VALVE IN THE MIDDLE ONE. THE BEST WAY IS TO PUT A RESTRICTOR (PVCR) OR POWER VALVE CHANNEL RESTRICTOR WHICH LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF FUELTHAT IS ADDED -- NOT WHEN ADDED. THAT SIMPLY IS DIFFERENT LENGTHS OF STAINLESS STEEL PIANO WIRE. NOW YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME THANKS
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Guys, It's what Charlie is trying to tell you. The number on the power valve is the inches of vacuum that the valve will open. In other words WHEN! The wire that they want you to install will restrict the AMOUNT of fuel each of the THREE power valves will allow to pass. You would have three times as much as you need (at $ 4.00 a gallon). Also. it's actually a bad idea to do that since the extra will foul plugs and wash the oil from you cylinder walls, turn to carbon, etc. So find the outlet passage from the power valve chamber and insert a piece of piano wire into it. Do this in a manner so the wire can't blow out into the engine. use the original numbered power valves. You may have to play with the power valve numbers to get a seamless transition. Too late an opening (low number) will get a flat spot, or throttle setting where the engine won't make power, Too early will loose some power, throw black smoke nad be hard on fuel mileage. See, nothin' tuit!
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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So, pegleg would it be better to install plugs in the outer 2 and maybe a 5.5 in the middle and see what happens?
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By pintoplumber - 17 Years Ago
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Put plugs in the outer two, cut gaskets to block the idle circuits in the outer two. You'll have less to go wrong. Mine's running great, I was a second and a half quicker in '07 than '06 on a 239. My goal this year is to break into the 17 seconds.
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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I think it should stay in the piano.
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Sam & Bird. Theoretically (careful now) it would be better to use three and restrict the amount of fuel in each. That way the fuel gets to the end cylinders more quickly. But it's more complicated and may not really make any difference that you could notice. Tell you this much, If Dennis (Pinto Plumber) said to block the outer two off and seal up the idle circuits, I'd try that first. His truck works. 239's in 4000 lb trucks are not supposed to run in the 17's, and he's real, real close. Frank/Rebop
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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I have the outer carbs idle circuits closed but I still have the power valves in them because some time ago in a galaxy far far away I was told to always keep the valves in the carbs. I have bought some plugs and will install them after golf tomorrow. First things first you know. Will let you know what I come up with next week. Thanks for all the help Earl
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Proving once again, there may be life on another planet! Or, maybe not!
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Sam, There's really no correlation between the mechanical linkage and the power valve timing. One is controlled only by the right foot, the other by manifold vacuum. One thing you should think about is jetting. The purpose of the "power Valve" is to supply fuel at large throttle openings. The main jets are sized for cruise throttle openings. The power valve circuit ADDS fuel to the mains. If you eliminate the power valve by blocking it, you'll need to increase the main jet size in the secondary carbs six or eight numbers. That's a guess I would ask Dennis or somebody who's running those exact carbs. Six or Eight would be Holley speak.
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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There's something out there. Life?????
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By Ted - 17 Years Ago
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The correct method for increasing jet size when doing away with the power valves is to measure the PVCR (power valve channel restriction) and add this area to the area of the jet size. Measuring the PVCR and jet hole sizes with number drills will be the easiest way to make the appropriate adjustments. The power valve channels in the Holley 94 carbs are typically pretty small so the increase in jet size will not be as big as when blocking the power valve in some of the later model Holleys.
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By paul2748 - 17 Years Ago
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55Birdman (5/29/2008) There's something out there. Life?????
Or maybe cheap gas??????
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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Cheap Gas! You holding out on us ? Where is it at? $3.90 in NC
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By pintoplumber - 17 Years Ago
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Regarding jet size, I had tried .57 jets in all 3 carbs at a test and tune. After 3 passes the plugs were black and fouled. I went back to .53 in the center and .51 in the outer carbs. I have the accelerator pumps on all 3 hooked up. Maybe a bigger engine could use more, but this could be a starting point. It's just so darn hard to change the jets when the carbs are on the engine. I think my power valve is 6.5
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Now that's interesting. I'd have done just the opposite. Leaner on the main carb and richer on the secondaries!  Wonder why that works?
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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
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Must be magic !! I thought the same as you
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By pintoplumber - 17 Years Ago
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My thinking was, if I dump 2 more carbs on a 239 I'll give it too much fuel. So I went with the smallest jets I had.
I can't fasten a mirror to look at my exhaust, but I've been told I have black smoke when I tramp on it, so it's getting enough fuel.
It's working ok for me. Don't know.
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Dennis, I would have thought that the center carb would have been the 51's or actually whatever it originally had. Especially when you think it still has the power valve. Might try that, could help the mileage. The end two would want a couple sizes , or so, bigger than stock, because you eliminated the powervalves and would supposedly need to accomodate that. However, if you're already rich, maybe just lean the center carb a little and see what happens.
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By pintoplumber - 17 Years Ago
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Frank, I won't do anything with it for now. The carbs are so close together, you can't change jets without pulling them. Then you have to nuts with the linkage. It's working good for me, I hate to disturb it. No dead spots on the throttle, so for now no change.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 17 Years Ago
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Dennis: Way back when I had 3-2s, I had a right angle screw driver that I used to change the jets by only taking off the carb tops, didn't have to remove the complete carb. By the way, did you get the bigger heads installed yet? John
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By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
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Dennis, I wouldn't either right now. I remember the jet change issue, had three '97's on a Pontiac back in the '60's. Even then they were a hassle, and I was much more flexible than I am now! You may have hit a combo that works, no, You have hit a combo that works. I have found that most engines will make more horsepower when the jetting is correct, to borderline lean. They actually will lose a little power to the rich side. I don't follow my own theorys with the blower motor. Figure that melted pistons are more important than horsepower in this example.
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By pintoplumber - 17 Years Ago
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John, no the heads are still at the machinist. He said we have time before columbus, but I'd like some seat time. Have to squeeze it in between our camping trips.
I have a screwdriver bit that fits in a ratcheting box wrench, but you still have to lay on your gut.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 17 Years Ago
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Dennis: I didn't think about it, but after reading your comment I realize that it seems like it's 4 feet from the outside edge of the fender to the center of the engine on my '53 truck also. The 3-2s I had were on a '56 Ford. John
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By popbreed - 17 Years Ago
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Dennis, I replaced the "hidden screw" on my 3 carbs with a hex head bolt (#12 I think). When I want to change jets, power valves, etc, I pop out the accellerator linkage, remove the 2 back screws and the under neath hex bolt and remove the crab from the base. No need to remove the linkage. POP
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