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By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
I know that the preferred head to use with Ys is the ECZ-G . Are there alternatives? I have purchased the Mummert hot rod kit and I need to consider the heads. Can I rework the original ones to do justice to the rest of the rebuild or is that out the window? Maybe 113 heads? What do you think?Smile 
By charliemccraney - 17 Years Ago
Which heads do you have?  Is the hotrod kit a stroker kit?
By 2DRHRDTP57 - 17 Years Ago
Birdman,

I bought the hot rod in a box kit too (non stroker) what valves did you get with your kit, that will obviously determine what head you can use, if you know what intakes you have will help 1.78 or 1.92 diameter???

By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
I bought the performance kit with 1.94" intake and 1.60" exhaust valves, & the 270S cam. Now my engine is 292 stock. I have everything stock except for 3x2s edlebrock 573 intake.Smile 
By Y block Billy - 17 Years Ago
Since your name is 55birdman I am assuming you are talking about a 55 bird engine. if so the 55, 56 heads came with 1.78" valves. if your engine has been changed or work done, it could have a number of different heads on it. I think that the heads can be made to accept up to 2.02 valves but with all that work it may be easier to find some G's or 113's
By Pete 55Tbird - 17 Years Ago
Which heads? Well lots of opinions and people try to promote the G heads most of all. Check the FLOW numbers of the ECZ A,B,C and D heads with the 1.92 intake valves and they are close to equal to the G heads and in my opinion a stronger head as far as combustion chamber. In the HotRod test in 1956 using ECZ A heads and larger intake valves and 10 to 1 compression they got 300 HP from a 312. A G head , unposted may have had trouble to equal that. Remember, to get the very high HP number your cam will make the car a PITA to drive. And if FOM almost impossible.
By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
I am at the moment in negotiations (?) trying to buy a 312 out of a 60 Ford. Dont know what heads it has other that the guy thinks they are zs. I am going to look at it Sat. All I am trying to do is get a little more horsepower and some more muscle in the car. I am not racing it or anything like that . Just want it to be a little meaner on the street.Smile
By Hoosier Hurricane - 17 Years Ago
Birdman:

Unless someone has changed the engine in the '60 it won't be a 312.  If its original, it's a 292 with 1.64" intake valves.  Look carefully.

John in Selma, IN

By DANIEL TINDER - 17 Years Ago
I thought Murrert's kit came with domed/forged pistons, that need trimming for a C/R dial-in?

If that's the case, then head criteria would likely be flow/strength/valve capacity? The "G" and "113" heads are more desirable for flat top piston use (as they have the smallest chambers), but unless the domed pistons prove problematic for flow, flame travel, etc. reasons, they might not be the best head choice.
By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
So, which do you suggest.  The engine is from a 60 Mercury. I thought it was a ford. Sorry.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 17 Years Ago
Birdman:

'60 Merc had a 312 originally, unless it was the big car with the MEL engine.  Not sure what heads it would have had, but they would be low compression.

John in Selma, IN

By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
113s or G heads . Is that the consensus?
By Butch Lawson - 17 Years Ago
Not necessarily G's or 113's.  I bought a 312 from a '59 Mercury and it had 471's.  Big valves, but big combustion chambers too.
By PF Arcand - 17 Years Ago
Birdman: Presumably you have heads with your current engine & will probably get another set with the prospect engine. But we don't have any of the casting numbers. Also, does the "Hotrod kit" include high dome pistons? I don't think that anyone can make an informed recommendation based on the existing info.
By PF Arcand - 17 Years Ago
"If" the Heads are 60 Merc, they will be COAE castings. The Combustion chambers are 75cc, which were advertised at 8.9 compression on a 312. But, the intake valves are unfortunately throwbacks to 1954, at 1.64". I don't know if installing the 1.94 valves in them would be a good move or not. ??
By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
According to Mummert the pistons are Forged . Dont know for sure but doesnt that make them  dome pistons? It is the performance kit from Mummert for 292. I dont have the numbers off the engine. I didnt get them when I went to look at it.
By Ted - 17 Years Ago
As has already been brought up, other big valve heads besides the “G” head are the 113’s and 471’s.  The 471’s are more conducive for use with the domed pistons as they have a larger combustion chamber and tend to be more pump gas friendly without dome modifications.  All the 113’s and 471’s are also posted whereas only a small percentage of the ‘G’ heads are posted.  The 471’s also already have hardened exhaust seats due to their intended use on the heavy truck line.  But the slightly smaller valved 1956 heads are also suitable for a performance upgrade with the intake valve sizes either being left as is or replacing with larger diameter valves with the appropriate seat work to go with the size change.
By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
Ted, Are you referring to the 56 471 heads or 113 heads? Car or truck.
By Y block Billy - 17 Years Ago
Birdman,

Go to Mummert's site and look at the head chart link, print it out and carry it with you when you look at motors, heads etc. I carry a copy in all my vehicles along with other vin code info etc so when I come across a car on the side of the road I can decode it on the spot.

The 113 and 471's were not made in 55 - 56, they were a later replacement head for the G's.

By Ted - 17 Years Ago
55Birdman (8/3/2008)
Ted, Are you referring to the 56 471 heads or 113 heads? Car or truck.

The 471 head is a ‘big’ truck head and came equipped with the larger 1.92” intakes but the combustion chambers were in the 82cc range.  Don’t know the exact year they were introduced but should be 1958 or 1959.  And there’s additional information that some of the ’59 Mercury’s equipped with the 312’s had these also.  This is the head of choice when putting a blower on the Y as the larger combustion chamber requires less work in regards to piston choice in getting the compression ratio lower while mantaining some measure of quench at the deck.  And this head also works great with domed pistons in keeping the compression ratio low enough that it's pump gas friendly with minimal dome modifications.  Under the water ports you'll find '5750' on one end and '471' on the other.  Here's a couple of pics.

 

By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
You have a pair of these to sell?
By Ted - 17 Years Ago
55Birdman (8/4/2008)
You have a pair of these to sell?

Sorry.  I have no extra heads available.

By 55Birdman - 17 Years Ago
I have found a set of 312 ECZ-G heads. Thay have been fluxed and all that and look brand new. Thay are according to the guy almost flat at 004 ea. If I purchase these what pistons can I use on them? They come with rockers .  
By Ted - 17 Years Ago
55Birdman (8/7/2008)
I have found a set of 312 ECZ-G heads.  If I purchase these, what pistons can I use on them?

The G heads are typically around 69cc’s if unmilled or that’s at least a good value to use if not cc’ing the heads to get an exact value.  On a stock bore 292, these heads will net about 8¼:1 CR with a composition head gasket while on a similarly built stock bore 312, the compression ratio will be 8¾:1.  Both of these engines are with a flat top piston and sitting at 0.020” in the hole.  Adding a 10cc dome to each without any other changes makes the compression ratio for the 292 jump to 9.27:1 and 9.84:1 for the 312.  These values just give you a rough idea of what the compression ratio numbers look like with these combinations but you’d need to recalculate using your specific bore size and deck clearances for a more exact compression ratio.

By Ol Ford Guy - 17 Years Ago
How can I determine if 57 G heads are posted?  Can you reach into the ports and feel the posts or see them?  Can you tell externally, markings, date codes?  I know my 57 312 was manufactured in March of 57, so it shouldn't have posted heads.  I have two  sets of G heads, one pair loose and one set on an engine.  The set on an engine are a bit of a mistery.  The engine is a 272 with a crossover pipe.  I thought 57 passenger car 272's exhaust crossed over after the engine.  Could it be a truck engine?

Thanks,

By pegleg - 17 Years Ago
Paul,

    The posts are in the water jackets between the flat part of the combustion chamber and the top surface of the head. You can see or feel them through the water jacket holes on the machined face of the head.