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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Hi again. As we discussed before, my engine seems to be a bit of this and that. I have an early 58 Fairlane with vin plate showing a 292. The block is a ECG. The heads are ECZ C or G . I can't see behind the distributor close enough. The intake manifold is a 4 BBL ECZ. The carb is an Edelbrock 1406, 600cfm. The distributor has no vacuum advance, just mechanical . I have put a Petronix ignition into it and it runs nicely. Seems like quite a dog's breakfast to me. What do you guys think? And, thanks for all the great ideas and education. Gordie T
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By pcmenten - 16 Years Ago
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Check out www.ford-y-block.com
The block is a 272 block.
If you think you see the letters ECZ-C under the water ports, its likely an ECZ-G. The ECZ-C would have its casting numbers on the outside of the cylinder head between the exhaust ports.
If that carb fits the manifold without an adapter, it's an ECZ-B intake.
Good heads and intake.
Dog's breakfast?
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks Paul. If I look at the engine from the driver's side, I can see the ECZ beside the distributor on the passenger side head. The last C or G is hidden by the body of the distributor. Even with the cap off it is difficult to read. Is that the spot for the G head? Also, should I think about adding a vac advance to my distributor? "Dog's breakfast" around here means just about everything leftover is given to the dog. Cheers, the snow is melting! Yea! Gordie T
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By Johnson Rod - 16 Years Ago
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Gordie,
Try looking in the same spot on the front of the head where the water passage into the intake is. The distributor won't be in your way.
But regardless "If you think you see the letters ECZ-C under the water ports, its likely an ECZ-G. The ECZ-C would have its casting numbers on the outside of the cylinder head between the exhaust ports." as Paul mentioned.
As for the distributor, depend on what kind it is??
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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It finally got near freezing this morning so I went out and pulled my distributor. Yes, I have ECZ-G heads. My intake is ECZ-B. My block is a 272 (thought I was getting a 292) ECZ-G. My distributor is a FOMOCO FDS 1217 AZ 501...My question is, should there be a vacuum advance on this distributor? There is a slanted hole on the side with two little vertical holes on the case, that is all. Also, by turning the distributor, I was able to read the number and see the oil cap tube that was hidden before. Should I just order a new rebuilt one or fuss with this old one? Oh, I talked to a guy near me who has a 4x2 intake with two teapot carbs and linkage for sale for a 312 he said. Anybody interested? I also bumped into a mechanic who said he has 9 years rebuilding Y-blocks experience. Not bad for a small town of about 400 people! Thanks all for your knowledgeable comments. Gordie T
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By pcmenten - 16 Years Ago
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Recheck the block number. If the number you're seeing is above the oil filter, you likely have a 292 or 312. You might be looking at an ECZ-C block. If the number is behind the generator, it might be a 272.
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Paul I must remember to put my glasses on when I read those block numbers. You are correct. My block is a ECG block just like the ones on the Mummert site with the number also upsidedown by the alternator. I guess that makes it a 272. Does anyone have an idea about my distributor? The wind is blowing, it's 9 above zero, or -13 C. The wind is howling, visibiltiy is about 100 yards with the snow...put another log on the fire. Gordie T
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By GregDove - 16 Years Ago
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Here is a great web sit to help you out www.ford-y-block.com/techincal.htm ... this should give you the info your looking for Greg
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks Greg I went to that tech site for distributors but my FDS 12127 AZ wasn't there. Do you know of any other sites? Thanks
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By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
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Hello Gordie, Distributor # FDS-12127-A(no AZ in parts book) is for a 56 272 with 2bbl carb and yes it should have a vacuum advance as listed in parts catalogue.Hope this helps.
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Thank you very much. I think I'm going to pick up a refurb dist. They are less than $100 I've been told.
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By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
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Hello Gordie,Reading the previous post I noticed you apparently have the "B" manifold(57-up) like mine is now.If thats correct the reason the advance was removed from yours is because the original advance will only work with a pre57 carb.The system used was called "loadomatic and was vacuum only as far as I know.Is there centrifugal advance weights under the breaker plate on your dist?I don't think it does.You also mentioned to me that you had to modify the breaker plate to install the Pertronix which would mean you definitely have the pre-57 distributor and in order to get this setup working properly you need to replace the distributor.I think you will be surprised at how much better it runs and much better gas mileage.You can re-use the Pertronix.If you do change distributor you will also need a cap and rotor for any Ford V-8 from 57-74.
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Thank you Mark for clearing up my mystery. I ordered a distrib tonight. One is coming in from Winnipeg. It is only $69.00 CDN and it includes cap and rotor. No sense in messing around with the old one. I'll let you know how it goes in when I get it later this week.
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By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
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Hey Gordie,Thats a great price.Cost me that plus core-came to $100 CND plus I had to buy cap and rotor.Glad I could help.Let us know how it works out!
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By PF Arcand - 16 Years Ago
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Gordie; a word of caution. If you are getting the distributor from NAPA Canada, apparently they show a Loadomatic (vacuum only) model in early 57. Why ?. I had quite a go with them about it after they brought one in from Calgary Alberta & it was the early model. You can tell the vacuum model easily as the breaker plate will have advance springs on the top of it. Also their rebuilts are not always the best. Mine turned out to have a worn cam. That results in not being able to get proper dwell...
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By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
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I suggested to Gordie that he specify distributor for 64 F100 with 292.Should be no confusion about getting wrong one.
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By Ted - 16 Years Ago
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Gordie. When you get your distributor, look at the points to insure you’ve got the later model distributor in hand. Straight style of breaker points will be a Load-O-Matic distributor (’56 and earlier) while curved points will be a ’57 and up distributor.
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks Ted and Mark I got the refurb distributor today. Ordered it Monday after work and got it Thursday. The mounting plate for the points is curved like Ted said. It has the vacuum advance and I think I can see the weights under the plate. It is a number B9FA 12127. Mark gave me some good advice re installing it that I'll use tonight or this weekend. Here's the link to a picture: http://autoecat.amscomp.com/catpics/AUTOL/1818255.jpg
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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I messed up. That link is to a generic picture. My vacuum advance arm is straight not curved. Sorry.
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By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
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Hello Gordie,You have the correct distributor.When you hook up vacuum line if there is fitting on carb which is activated when the throttle plate opens(ported vacuum)that is the one to use.Set timing with line off .If you only have full vacuum available such as off the intake manifold set timing with line off and fitting plugged.When the vacuum line is hooked back up timing will be advanced a little at idle by the vacuum.Thats not a problem.Some of the nwer carbs like mine have that ported vacuum fitting on them.Let us know how it works for you.
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By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Mark and others It was nice out after work...no snow so I puttered with the new dist and after lining up #1 on both cap and rotor away she went. I'd fogged the engine last fall, so a bit of smoke, but she ran. I took it out for a spin and my neighbours called me about the nice rumble of the Y-block with my two Smittys. We rairly get police down here so... whoooeeee... does the new distributor and vacuum advance ever make a difference in the top end. Thanks for all your help. Long Point Ontario
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