Best cam on fordomatic


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By Apache - 16 Years Ago
I'm getting the motor rebuilt, and am going to try and talk to guy into doing the labor for free since he's gonna put a stock one in anyways.. What would be a good cam for a DD that has a stock fordomatic, and what kinda power increase am I lookin at in a 57' ECZ_G headed 292?
By Ted - 16 Years Ago
The ’57 factory 292/312 grinds were good.  The Isky E4 is a good all around cam and is a stepped up version of the factory ’57 grind with just slightly more duration and ground on 108° lobe centers instead of the 113° lobe centers on the factory cam.  For any camshaft installation, just be sure to degree it in for optimum performance or for future troubleshooting purposes.
By Apache - 16 Years Ago
well i'm lettin them do the install so...I mean, if the stck cam is best, let it be known, so i know what cam to get for the rebuild
By pcmenten - 16 Years Ago
I didn't realize the factory cams were on such wide LSA's.



Be sure to specify the 57 grind, Apache, not the 'stock' cam. The 57 grind has 256 degrees of duration. The stock cam has 246 degrees. BTW, what rockers do you have?
By Apache - 16 Years Ago
My motor is a 57' .. I'm not sure what kind of rockers and dstuff are going to be used..i'm guessin the stcok 57' stuff...what should i be aiming for?
By PF Arcand - 16 Years Ago
Ted: I don't pretend to know hardly anything about cam lobe spacing theory. However, in an article in YBM, J. Mummert suggests using a cam with narrower separation (106-108 deg) if using an efficient exhaust ( I take this to mean including Headers) And use wider separation (110-112 deg) with a manifold exhaust, or with low compression. If (?) that is the case, wouldn't the E 4 Isky be a little off the mark for a mild non headers & Fordomatic engine? Mummert's Cam that he recommends for the Fordomatic (a Clay Smith grind I believe) is the 265S with 435 lift and 110 degree separation. Thoughts?
By Apache - 16 Years Ago
OKAY..what clay smith cam? I'm plannin on keeping exhaust manifolds.. Also would give me a reason to get an awesome clay smithed thrush bird/ Mr. Horsepower t-shirt.lol... I'm gonna run it very mild dependant on cam, keeping manifolds and runnin' 2" glasspacks for exhaust
By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
Apache:

I've said it before, and I still stand by it.  Contact your preferred cam manufacturer, tell him what you have and what you expect from your cam, and let him tell you what you need.  He'll steer you right, he wants you to be happy with his cam.  By the way, if your engine is a '57 and has the original rockers, they are the preferred 1.54 ratio.

By Apache - 16 Years Ago
ok....awesome..thanks guys for all the help on such short notice
By Glen Henderson - 16 Years Ago
Ditto on what John said, call Mummert, he will steer you right.
By Ted - 16 Years Ago
PF Arcand (3/5/2009)
Ted: I don't pretend to know hardly anything about cam lobe spacing theory. However, in an article in YBM, J. Mummert suggests using a cam with narrower separation (106-108 deg) if using an efficient exhaust ( I take this to mean including Headers) And use wider separation (110-112 deg) with a manifold exhaust, or with low compression. If (?) that is the case, wouldn't the E 4 Isky be a little off the mark for a mild non headers & Fordomatic engine? Mummert's Cam that he recommends for the Fordomatic (a Clay Smith grind I believe) is the 265S with 435 lift and 110 degree separation. Thoughts?

Reducing the lobe centerline increases peak torque at the expense of making the torque range itself narrower.  That’s the short explanation.  And J. Mummert is correct in that open headers will prefer a reduced lobe centerline as scavenging is better taken advantage of in that instance.  But I’ve installed camshafts with as low as 102° lobe centers in specific applications so don’t believe for a minute that 108° is the lower end of the spectrum.  But both the advertised and the 0.050” durations as well as the lift also play into the mix and especially as the compression ratio is toyed with.  As I’ve said before, each ‘built’ combination is slightly different thereby requiring different attributes for the camshaft.

 

The E4 gets aways with the 108° lobe centers by lieu of the short duration and lift.  It still maintains a good manifold vacuum and has a nice rumble or exhaust note due to the reduction in lobe centers.  As an FYI, the OHV or LYB engines for the trucks (317, 302, 332) had shortened lobe centers with a 1963 model 332 cam being ground on 107° lobe centers.  Rock steady idle and extremely torquey.  Not sure if the engineers were trying to compensate for the spacing between the valves in the combustion chamber or if they simply wanted the enhanced torque characteristics that come with reducing the lobe centerline on the camshaft.  But that OHV cam definitely works and gets decent fuel mileage when installed at 102° intake lobe centerline.

 

And Hoosier has said it before and I’ll reinforce it, “heed the advice of the cam manufacturer” as they deal with this day in and day out and definitely want you to be happy.

By Apache - 16 Years Ago
so John will have a Clay Smith cam? I thought he only carried Isky?
By Jim Rowe - 16 Years Ago
Yes John still lists them on his site.

I purchased the Y-270S " a clay smith" cam from John. It worked with my Ford-O-Matic.



Jim
By Apache - 16 Years Ago
if ya don't mind me askin

.. how much will this set me back ($$$)?
By Jim Rowe - 16 Years Ago
Go to this link "listed on this site" http://www.ford-y-block.com/ or give him a call for pricing.

jim