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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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I have a 292 that I rebuilt and when I went to start the engine the oil squirted out of the oil filter between the oil filter and engine like the oil passage was blocked. I tore the engine back down, all the oil galleys are free, bearings line up with oil hole, the heads line line with the oil passage ways and rocker arms oil passage way line up, replaced the oil filter, check the relief on the oil pump seems to move freely. Started the engine up again and same problem. Everything is rebuilt or new on the engine including oil pump. Any thoughts on what could be the problem? The engine is a 1959 and has a spin on filter
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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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Yes. The engine was built for a spin on filter and the filter sits tight against the block from what I can tell. Thanks
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By shakey pete - 16 Years Ago
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just a thought are you using the proper filter I seem to remember for used a spin on filter with a built in relief valve and if you didn,t use the right one it would leak or blow the filter just a thought Shakey Pete
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
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Skyliner: The filter fits tight against the block? There is supposed to be a steel adaptor plate that seals against the block and the filter seals against the adaptor.
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By Doug T - 16 Years Ago
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It sounds like the oil filter gasket is not seating on the stamped sheetmetal adaptor properly. Are you using the original '59 adaptor plate with the gasket against the block? Is the piece that threads into the block and has the external threads for the filter tightened into the block fully? These pieces are pretty good stock although they might weep a little. Are you using any kind of gasket or O ring on the nipple for the filter, there should be none! Are you using the right filter Fram PH-8A or equalivent? There are a lot of filters that seem to have similar patterns and will screw on the nipple. But there are slight differences such as the diameter of the rubber seal which would not seal on the Y's adaptor. I am not recommending a basic PH 8A as it comes from Walmart it isn't too good a filter, but it will fit and not leak.
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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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Yes the engine has the original adaptor plate and it seems to be level and in good condition. I have used several filters, current is the fram ph8a and have tightened them way beyond normal installation. Not using any other oil rings other than what is supplied with the filter. I am more suspecting the relief valve in the oil pump even though it seems to move freely.
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By rmk57 - 16 Years Ago
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Did the rubber O-ring fall out of the filter before you spun it on? I'ts happen to me. Also on removing the old filter sometimes the O-ring sticks to the block so you could end up with two rubber gaskets on it, thats also happen to me. Cheap Fram Filters.
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By charliemccraney - 16 Years Ago
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I don't know if it will matter in this instance, but the plate also has a top and bottom. Do you have it installed in the propper orientation.
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By crenwelge - 16 Years Ago
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There is also an o-ring between the adapter plate and the block too. Are you sure it's there? O rings fall out of any brand of filter. Back when our gas stations were service stations and not convenience stores, we would teach our grease monkeys to press the o-ring into its grove and then oil it all the way around.
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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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Check the oil filter o ring several times. It has only one o ring. I will check the adaptor plate and see if it has an o ring between it and the block and the correct orientation. Good suggestions Thanks.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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http://www.bigdclub.org/Nuckels/Nuckels1.html#adapter
Adapter plates lose spring tension over time. See above link:
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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks will check that out. Skyliner
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By John Mummert - 16 Years Ago
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It is very common for the adapters to leak. They eventually lose the offset required between sealing surface and the center hole. I've wasted time trying to press the offset back in but they usually leak anyway. If in doubt buy a new one. The kit with plate attaching bolt and gasket is around 40.00 from T-Bird restorers. Worth the money in saved aggrevation.
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By HT32BSX115 - 16 Years Ago
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John,
I did a search for "T-Bird restorers" and got a lot of hits....
Could you be a little more specific on who they are?
Thanks,
Rick
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By Barry L - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Casco (classic auto supply) in Ohio has been helpful with my T-Bird parts requests. They have an on-line catalogue and the parts you are looking for come as a kit #6882A $28.85 or 688BK for $33.95 ,with the filter . www.classictbird.com Hope this is what you are looking for. Barry
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By Nick Brann - 16 Years Ago
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Hi Rick, I'm not John but I'll try to answer your question and save him some time. There are close to a dozen T-Bird specialty parts suppliers and most of them are restorers also. Here are a couple that sell the spin-on adapter kits: Casco in Ohio, 800-374-0914. Their kit is p/n 6882BK and it comes with an oil filter, $33.95. Mac's in NY, 800-777-0948. Their p/n is B7A-6882-A and it is $29.95 without a filter. I've done business with both of these companies and they are both first-rate. Good luck, Nick Brann, K.C., MO
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By PF Arcand - 16 Years Ago
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I'm not sure what the original problem is, but over tightening the filter won't help. It will likely aggravate the problem that John Mummert pointed out.
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By HT32BSX115 - 16 Years Ago
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Nick Brann (10/6/2009)
Hi Rick, I'm not John but I'll try to answer your question and save him some time. There are close to a dozen T-Bird specialty parts suppliers and most of them are restorers also. Here are a couple that sell the spin-on adapter kits: Casco in Ohio, 800-374-0914. Their kit is p/n 6882BK and it comes with an oil filter, $33.95. Mac's in NY, 800-777-0948. Their p/n is B7A-6882-A and it is $29.95 without a filter. I've done business with both of these companies and they are both first-rate. Good luck, Nick Brann, K.C., MO
Thanks Nick,
I have one but it appears that it might be a good idea to have a new one. I don't know how many years (or times) it's been ever-tightened!
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By 56 big window - 16 Years Ago
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check the oil pressure. that should determine if the relief valve is the problem
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 16 Years Ago
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Skyliner: Is it possible there is a washer or lock washer under the bolt that holds the adaptor to the block. That would cause the bolt to hold the filter up from the sealing surface.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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DANIEL TINDER (10/5/2009)
http://www.bigdclub.org/Nuckels/Nuckels1.html#adapter
Adapter plates lose spring tension over time. See above link:
Note of interest: To get the recommended 1/16th" clearance when modifying new repro plate purchased 10 yrs. ago, if I remember correctly, only a few whacks with a light hammer was required then. NOS early 60s era FoMoCo plate I obtained recently must have been made of much tougher steel. Had to wail on it about 20 times with a 5# sledge before proper clearance achieved!
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By Skyliner - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks for everyone who helped by posting their suggestions which got me looking at the adaptor plate. I had to get an 1-1/4 socket to remove it and found the bolt turned by hand!! I removed the bolt and adapter plate, made sure the gasket looked good and put it back and tightened down the bolt........No leaks...........
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By Big6ft6 - 16 Years Ago
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Awesome...simple fixes are what I like to see. If it had been some complex, expensive repair, I would have had to file it away into my mental libraries of "dreaded problems". I then would have always been scared to look under my car in case I saw the first sign of the dreaded "spin-on oil filter adapter leak" problem. Now it is just filed away under the existing title of "doulbe check your nuts and bolts". That isn't so scary!
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