By Big6ft6 - 16 Years Ago
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I feel like I watched the birth of a child last night!! I was alone in my garage and after a little tinkering (solenoid wiring was a little finicky/loose) finally heard the whirr of the old starter motor!! (sounds a little different than the starters I'm used too!) After cranking her over a little with the coil disconnected to check valves and check signs of oil flow. I connected the coil and it only took a half a can of starting fluid and half-dozens tries and half-starts, then finally......... SHE RAN AND IDLED ALL BY HERSELF!!! It was sooooo cool! Just purred away. I let her run until she warmed up.. no leaks, fuel pump must be working it seemed to be sucking fuel from the fuel can just fine. I shifted into gear and rear axle turned (on jack stands) too cool!! So...here is the results of the "running" test. 1) I have oil flowing from driver's side over-flow tube..but not passgner side, what does this mean? 2) if I tried to give the car any gas she would immediately kill...instantly. I couldn't get the engine to come off idle at all...seems carb is providing good fuel flow only in the idle circuit?? Now what? 3) oil pressure light never illuminated when I had the key in run before the engine started. The generator light came on (and went off when the engine was running ) but what should I look into for the oil light? Likely the bulb or sender?
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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Nate,
I would pull the spark plugs, remove the pass. side rocker assembly, and spin the motor while watching for oil flow from the head. If oil spurts out of the hole, then the rocker stand/shaft passage is plugged. If not, then try the solvent-soak/pressure procedure described in previous posts (search archives). While a turned bearing might block flow from that side (?), a plugged head passage is more likely. You may have to pull the head eventually and drill out the obstruction.
As for the oil light, change the bulb/clean the socket and clean up the sender connections, and then connect a jumper to rule out a broken wire.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
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Upon reflection (sorry, haven't had my morning coffee yet), even if the wire/sender was bad, the bulb would likely just stay on if not burned out or corroded (?).
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By Town Vicky - 16 Years Ago
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The easy way to check the oil pressure light is to ground the wire at the sw. and turn key on and see if light comes on it should.
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By mctim64 - 16 Years Ago
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Good job Nate! That old Y starter has good sound to it don't it. As Daniel said take the rockers off and look for oil coming out of the hole in the head, if oil comes you have clogged rockers if no oil maybe a pipe cleaner down the oil passage will do the trick. You can only go down the head since there is a "dogleg" when it reaches the block.What carb do you have? May be gummed up main circuit, although it seems that the idle would be plugged too. Anyway you are on the road to some good times. 
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By Big6ft6 - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks Tim..wish someone could've been there with me..but my friends think I'm a little over-the-top on this stuff. On another thread I've figured out I have a Holley 94 carb. I tried to rebuild a carb once when I was 17 and the engine never ran again But these are supposed to be pretty simple so maybe I should try. I also heard you can buy rebuilt 94s at the parts stores for $100?? It was really frustrating lat night, I really wanted to hear her rev up a little, the valvetrain sounds like a bunch of chipmunks tap-dancing...I wanted to see those babies dance! But each time I touched the throttle, the engine would instantly bog down and die. I can't wait to go listen to it run again!! It was so cool!
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By 1964fordf100292 - 16 Years Ago
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my suggestion to you is to take that carb completely down and soak it in some carb soak. you should be able to get it at napa. had problems with a snowmobile carb once that wouldnt run right. soaked it for a few hours and then reassembled it. works like a dream to this day.
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By Daniel Jessup - 16 Years Ago
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Nate, Awesome! As you can see from my photobucket page, these motors can be resurrected, and that quite well. On the carb - have you checked to make sure that when you WOT a time or two that you are getting a steady stream of gas/air mix shooting in the bores? Make sure the fuel bowl is filled and then give it a couple of squirts...odds are that nothing is coming through the jets. I would suggest removing the air horn assembly (top of carb - 5 or 6 screws I believe) and checking the fuel bowl. After having a looksee there and after making sure that the small accelerator pump is not all dried up/cracked you will have some more info to go on. These carbs are very EASY to rebuild and reassemble. Just make sure that your power valve is ok when you rebuild. Glad to hear about the success 
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By crenwelge - 16 Years Ago
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As mentioned before, they are very simple carbs. When I was growing up, it was a mechanical world with no computers. 14 year olds fixed carbs in those days. You might put some gas in a squeeze bottle like catsup comes in in restaurants or a pump type oil can. Take the air cleaner off and squirt some gas in the top of the carb while you open the throttle from an idle and see if you can get it to rev up. If you can get it to rev up, you might try to rev it as fast as you can get it to go and put your hand over the carb and hold it a few seconds. This creates a strong vacuum in the carb and quite often you can suck the trash on through. Also the 2 rather large screws at the bottom of the front of the carb are drains. Take them out and see if you can drain out some of the crap. BE SURE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE DEALING WITH GAS. Have a wet blanket handy in case you have a fire. Fire in the carb is very common. Just remain calm and smother it with a wet blanket.
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By aussiebill - 16 Years Ago
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Nate, great job! as suggested the carb needs o.haul, i would think that the accelerator pump is not working and sending shot of fuel to accelerate or the needle under the fuel discharge nozzles in center of carb is gunked stuck and wont let that shot of fuel into venturi area, look for that needle when pulling it apart. we all wait for next report. regards bill.
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By Big6ft6 - 16 Years Ago
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Thanks for all the tips everyone...I havn't told my grandpa that I had the engine running, I'm going to see him this weekend and I want to suprise him. It was really bothering him that this car was sitting and "wasting away" so he'll be super happy to hear that I already have it running. I can't wait to drive it up to his house..that'll be my goal for next summer.
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By 57FordPU - 16 Years Ago
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Nate, Tim is not available by computer today. He wanted me to mention to you that a real important thing to do for best performance at all engine speeds is to change to a 57 or later distributor. There is talk that a remanufactured unit is available at AutoZone (you may have a different name in your territory) for around $100. This is a common swap for most everyone. He said he would PM you later tonight regarding the carb and a possible replacement for you. Sounds like you are having a blast. I know grandpa will be proud. Good luck with the project..............
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By Big6ft6 - 16 Years Ago
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thanks Bing, I'll check it out. I think I can squeeze permission to spend another $100 out of the wife... What makes the new one so much better (technically)?
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By 55Birdman - 16 Years Ago
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it has mechanical and vacuum advance
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By Daniel Jessup - 15 Years Ago
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Nate, what is going on with your Y block? Are you waiting for the spring thaw???
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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Nate hasn't been on since Nov. I wonder if he got burnt out on Ys or us. I'd like to know how his car is doing too.
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By BFOOTER03 - 15 Years Ago
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My guess he is on a lake some place ice fishing with a cold beer and cheese.
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By crenwelge - 15 Years Ago
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A lot of people lose interest when they find out how expensive fixing up old vehicles is. And I have seen a lot of young people lose interest when they find out just how much they have to learn about these simple old machines. I hope it's just too cold for him and he'll be back.
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By Big6ft6 - 15 Years Ago
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Happy Spring Everyone! I just had a great time re-reading all the posts from last fall...reading all of your advice is almost as fun as working on my car! I went to the garage this past weekend just to see how everything survived the winter and I felt like a kid in Toys-R-US trying to decide how to spend my allowance! I'm really excited to get this car moving. The budget has gotten even smaller, but if I can just finish the carb business, re-do the brakes and put some tires on this thing.....oh yeah! It is hard for me to imagine what it feels like to shift a 3-on-the-tree. I learned to drive on a stick but haven't driven one in years, and shifting on the column in an old 50's car sounds too cool! my clutch foot is eager. I'm hoping to get into the carb this weekend...but the odds are looking dim. My mother's basement flooded and you know who has to carry all that crap out up those basement stairs. And when I say "all that crap" I'm thinking 8+ hour job..especially if my mom is watching over my shoulder. I'll keep you all posted! N
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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Good to see you back Nate! Good luck in your moms basement, get that done and get going on the car. Three on the tree ain't so hard once you do it. Just go for it! That's Clark's credo.
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By texasmark1 - 15 Years Ago
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don't give up!! I started mine in 91 when I bought the car... 6 months later, first baby born... there went the extra money and extra time!! finally got it back together enough to drive and get registered here in TX late last year! That first kid is now a senior in HS!! So, never give up... keep spending time with it, even if you don't actually get any "progress"... it's now a "labor of love"... and yes, shifting a "three on the tree" is ALL THAT plus a bag of chips!! I grew up learing to drive this way and its like riding a bike... you never forget! once you get that Y sound in your blood, nothing will ever come close... with the possible exception of a tube guitar amp... if you are a guitar player! Mark
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By Big6ft6 - 15 Years Ago
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texasmark1 (4/13/2010)
once you get that Y sound in your blood, nothing will ever come close... with the possible exception of a tube guitar amp... if you are a guitar player! Mark Mark, Oh yeah, my best buddy was obsessed with 50-60's music (he is getting his PhD in History) and we roomed together during/after college. with his first Navy pay check after finishing ROTC he picked up a limited edition John Lenon Epiphone Casino and a Fender Deluxe tube amp. The sound is burned into my head pretty good I can thank him for any knowledge I have of music at all, and all my knowledge is pre 1970 So will the y-block sound good even with the single exhaust I've got on there...or do I need to start budgeting for an upgraded amplification system??
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By grovedawg - 15 Years Ago
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Go for duals. You'll never look back. And you can find inexpensive alternatives if you hunt through salvage yards, local classifieds, and eBay. Although, sometimes I'm amazed at what people pay for junk on eBay. Good luck duder.
I'm rebuilding my 55 F100 and am about to have the engine completely rebuilt! I'll watch this post for progress. Again, good luck and keep turning your wrench!
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By texasmark1 - 15 Years Ago
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duals with Cherry Bombs is what I have on mine (272, 57 Fairlane)... yeah, its only about 175 horses give or take, but the sound!! A Fender Deluxe is / was a smaller tube amp, but its immortal, as it can be heard on most any "classic rock" song... Neal Young is said to own many vintage Deluxe's! my local muffler shop installed my Auto Zone-purchased Cherry Bombs... whole set up for approx $250... Mark
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By kevinwalshe - 15 Years Ago
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Just got my 55 Merc started today!! I now know the excitement you felt!! Truly is amazing hearing a Y-block car run after countless hours of love, blood, sweat and tears. I'm definitely running dual cherry bombs on my 292, just to make sure that all of my neighbors know when Y is home!!
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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[b]texasmark1 (4/13/2010)
A Fender Deluxe is / was a smaller tube amp, but its immortal
Mark
6Y6s, the mellowest power tubes.
On that note, my recent experiments with points distributors indicates good breaker points may soon become as rare as quality glass vacuum tubes (cheap pressed-in plastic construction, improper spring tension, variation from OEM specs., etc.). Just as happened when the changeover to transistors caused tube producers to drop them, reduced market demand due to the popularity of electronic ignition has apparently caused quality U.S. manufacturers to surrender the line to foreigners, who just never seem to get it right.
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By crenwelge - 15 Years Ago
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Good to hear that you are back at it. Y blocks have a unique sound even with single exhaust. The latest one I bought still has single exhaust. But they sound even better with duals. I will probably put duals on it pretty soon. Once you hear the y block sound with duals, it will grow on you. Its been over 45 years ago when I put the first set of duals on a 56. Its not fun wiggling the head pipe in on the driver's side. But its worth it.
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