EBAY, EPAY? CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT


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By aussiebill - 16 Years Ago
Just thought i,d get it off my chest, I,m NOT aiming this at any individual!  but the often used term ebay, "Epay!" i come across people that constantly whine about ebay and the high cost of things! put it in perpesctive and realize that it has opened the doors to acess parts that would never surface in your local papers add section or swap meet, either locally twice a year or one 1000 miles away that you dont go to anyway, so you would still be sitting at home dribbling. I look at it like this, if i REALLY wanted that rare part that would finish my project no matter what it was or where and here it is on ebay! then lookout, i,m not going to miss this chance and hence become one of the bidders and generally the battle has begun and it may appear to the nonplayers that the price is high! but compared to what?  Own the part and complete your dream! or go back to dribbling!

So if some prices seem to end up high its because generally the winner was tired of looking, needed to finish project or just isnt available in his area etc.and kept bidding till he owned it, and i can tell you, the price is quickly forgotten once you are fondling that rare y block part ! The opportunity to acess the amount of parts etc sitting at nite searching for good priced regular stuff that may vary from seller to seller is one thing, you can choose which one has the best shipping, buy it now price etc as the the best deal, but that one hard to get item is going to end up on the high side price wise and hence Epay term unkindly used, but i bet no one complains when they sell something on ebay and get a high price for it!!!

So all this considered, when the opportunity arises on ebay you gotta ask yourself one question! Well punk are you gunna own it? well punk are you?? Ha.Ha.

Merry Xmas To all our y block  community, Best regards. Bill.

By bird55 - 16 Years Ago
you'll get no argument from me.



The auction selling price helps to set the value on most items.

The bidders set the price.

Unless of course you get those sellers that start out with something "we" think is wrong, by being to high.

Again "we" decide, because "we" don't bid, or often. His item doesn't sell.



As an example I watch what tbird oilpans sell for and try to keep a mental average of what they sell for. That average price they go for is my gauge of what i will have to pay for one someday, +, -. Are they worth that?…YES if you have to have it. It is the demand.
By rgrove - 16 Years Ago
As one who both buys & sells on ebay, I couldnt AGREE MORE!  Things are worth what someone will pay for it, no more, no less.  I have had things that i sold go for much less than i thought they would (i.e. my load-o-matic dizzy that went to sweden) and Ive bought stuff that went for more than i thought it would.  But at the end of the day, there are very few swap meets around here, and not many people have parts for these cars at the few that are around, so I think its a GREAT method to find the parts i need, and to sell the stuff i dont need but someone else might!
By Noob - 16 Years Ago
I dont feel called out, thou I was the last one to post the term "Epay" in regards to a plug wire set for an amigo to the south.  I share your sentiment, and have restored 2 cars to senior winners status buy searching Ebay almost daily for the past half dozen years.

I personally use the term in deference to the culture of the forum I may be on at the time, be it automotive, petrolania, or whatever, as some sites have spoken and unspoken rules about reference to commercial sites... naming them, in which parts of the forum you can name them, and so on.

Being noobish here, I took the safe route of mis-naming it, much as I would refering to a chebbie... though with less disrespect intended.

Again, I know u werent directly responding to me, so no reflame intended. In fact, the picture in your signature reminds me I need to check a bid. Wink

Cheers...  Brian

By Bigwin56F100 - 16 Years Ago
What a GREAT post!



I find that people pay WAY more for stuff on ebay than in person sales. I LOVE ebay as a seller. I'm tired of the people who want something for nothing and want the part that I found, removed and cleaned, for peanuts. I have it, if you want it here it is!



Ebay takes care of this, people place bids and hopefully they BID TO WIN! (as I always say)



You can go to a swap meet and look for a part and its like finding a needle in a hay stack, or you can get on ebay and find it, pay by paypal and have it in a few days and instead of wasting a day at the swap meet. Now you can spend more time with your family!
By Duck - 16 Years Ago
I'd rather dribble....
By Bob's 55 - 16 Years Ago
Bigwin56F100 (12/22/2009)
What a GREAT post!



You can go to a swap meet and look for a part and its like finding a needle in a hay stack, or you can get on ebay and find it, pay by paypal and have it in a few days and instead of wasting a day at the swap meet. Now you can spend more time with your family!




I enjoy going to the swap meet (second Sunday of every month) to look for parts but also to enjoy the converse with other car nuts and the environment in general. And part of the fun of our hobby is the hunt for parts (For me anyway). Plus it gives me a excuse to see old friends, make new friends, bench race, to get out of the house, lol. So I think of them more of a social meeting... I don't consider I am "wasting a day at the swap meet".



But, yes, I do peruse EBay and have found pieces that I would never have found otherwise (like the NOS hood latch or NOS center bar for the grill for my '55).


By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
Good post! If not for Ebay,I would not have been able to build my car.When you work 80-100 hours a week it gets a little tough to go to swap meets and search for that rare part.With Ebay(and Craigslist) I can shop the world over for parts I need and do it in an hour a week.As far as prices being too high,there is a simple way to keep from paying too much.Don't bid and wait for the next one.
By 46yblock - 16 Years Ago
I buy and sell fairly often on ebay.  Nothing out there better for getting or selling relatively obscure parts.  The bay and PP fees have become significant.  Think it runs about 10 percent total. 

Sometimes guys get carried away and I want to jump in there and say whoa!  But it doesnt happen too often. 

The problem with ebay in my mind is the rating system.  Recently I sold an item and in the buyer's written rating he said everything was excellent, and mentioned shipping.  Then went over and gave me all "good" in the specifics.  Knocked down the 5's tp 4.9's.  If that happens very often small sellers really get clobbered.

By dbzach64C - 16 Years Ago
I agree 100%. There is that one part out there I am looking for and when it shows up, it WILL be mine.
By 55Birdman - 16 Years Ago
I buy and sell on the Bay all the time.Cannot do without it now. Great source for parts. No complaints from the side of the road.
By crenwelge - 16 Years Ago
I have bought a lot of stuff on eBay. I have bought stuff for my 56 Fords that I never thought I would find NOS. I bought the nicest 56 Ford I own on eBay. I had it transported 2000 miles and it exceeded my expectations. I also play with 50's GMCs and there also, I have found things I never thought I would see again. I have sold 2 items...flathead parts that I started low and they sold low. But such is life. I am in the trucking business and I have always disposed of surplus equipment at absolute auction. Sometimes they go good. Sometimes not. Most sellers amaze me how far they go to please the buyer. There are some crooks out there, but I usually can pick them out by the way they present the item. My father who was born in 1901 was in the public all his life used to say "I can smell a rat over the telephone". I feel like I can usually smell a rat over the internet.
By DANIEL TINDER - 16 Years Ago
Never thought it would happen to me (always been the type that wanted to run out and pick something up "NOW", and examine it first to boot), but I find myself shopping online much more often these days. Sales tax savings usually negates the shipping charges, and I'm really sick of burning up $3.00 a gal. gas chasing things that just can't be found in stores. Of course, as merchants lose more and more sales to high volume/low overhead internet discounters, they can no longer afford to stock as wide an inventory, so it's a downward spiral. Don't really bother with swap meets anymore either, as I notice the really good stuff is usually snapped up by the early risers (never been accused of that), or held back to sell on eBay where it will bring the highest price.
By LON - 16 Years Ago
Bill , You opened a can of worms .When ever I go to swap meets these days I usually spend more money on food .Spend half to time talking to friends and the other half of looking what someone is trying to sell .Then realizing that I through out better parts than that last guy was trying to sell ???? Now I'm kicking myself for getting rid of all the stuff I thought I wouldn't use ????Then I remember the last swap meet I tried to sell parts at ,spent all day Saturday sorting out parts I didn't want .Loaded up my ute ,woke up at 4am ,drove for 2 hours ,fought with the guy on the gate , and everyone wanted everything for nothing ???.After all that I made $50 and ended up giving half the stuff away .Swap meets are for socializing ,E-Bay is for buying . That's my opinion .

Lon

By Daniel Jessup - 16 Years Ago
As a weekly ebay seller and buyer, I could not agree more with Lon and Bill.

Some of you fellas may remember the "Turning Ebay into Epay" articles I wrote for the Y block mag a year or two ago. I am no expert, but some of the advice and tech assistance that I was giving to the grey haired crowd spurned me to try to help a little more by sharing some of the tips to finding parts that are listed erroneously, selling stuff yourself, shipping, etc. I never heard from anyone about the articles (Bruce said that he liked them...) so I don't know if it really helped anyone or not.

Working almost 7 days a week takes up a lot of my spare time that sure, I could be using in yards (which I occasionally visit), but the buying and selling on ebay and the internet in general has opened up a whole new ball game for me. I could NOT afford to be so deep into this "hobby" without the profits gained from buying and selling on ebay.

For the record, just about all of my auctions on Ford parts begin at 99 cents and the auction rides. Some fellas get really good deals on nice quality parts - no problem, glad to help, but then some guys pay through the nose because they just have to have it. I never would have dreamed that a 55 ford dash bracket for a choke cable would have went for $80, nor that a vent duct for a 55 air cooled fordo would have went for $115! Speed parts a real killer. The last blower (VS57) that I sold went for $894...but I only paid $300 for it. Mind you - the .99 starting auction price garnered quite a few watchers.

Now that I have made about half of you mad - have a Merry Christmas! Cool

By rick55 - 16 Years Ago
If it wasn't for eBay, we would not be able to get our hands on those elusive items.

Here in Oz if Bill hasn't got it you go searching.

For us the parts well is slowly drying up locally which means we have to resort to eBay. As a buyer it is a great place to find that elusive bit, like the boot lock assembly for a '55 Customline - not reproduced - so just wait til it shows up and then start bidding. The items always find the price that someone is happy to pay. I paid over $200 for my NOS item and was ecstatic to get it.

I have bought lots of bits for my ongoing resto online and without eBay (and Bill) would be scratching my head.

There is not a week goes by that I haven't checked what is out there both locally and overseas. Sometimes there are bargains and sometimes there are expensive items, it all depends how much you can afford and how much you want to spend.

I concur with Bill's comment, if you want or need it, you have to bid - who knows when the next one will come up and don't lose it for the sake of a couple of dollars.

Once you have bought the item and got it in your hand, the price is forgotten.

I think people like Dan give the buyer the best opportunity, start the item low and let the market find its selling price.

This of course doesn't work with items that have an intrinsic value which must have a starting price to reflect the cost to the seller.

Hope you all have a very Merry Christmas and don't miss out on any of those bargains over the holiday period.

Regards
By junkyardjeff - 16 Years Ago
I really like ebay as I have found a bunch of parts that I would of never found at the swapmeets and alot were NOS parts and got them at good prices,when it comes to latemodel parts that are still available at other sources I do some shopping before bidding as the shipping can make it more expensive then buying local.
By WILD WALFORD'S56 - 16 Years Ago
Ebay  is o.k. with me.  I buy and sell mostly 56 ford truck parts.  I hate going to some guys house to look at his great stuff and only find rusty crap and a wasted trip.  On ebay, I look it over and low-ball as best as I can and buy as cheap as I can....and don't have to be told a bunch of lies.
By Bigwin56F100 - 16 Years Ago
The nice thing about ebay is if you have issues with a buyer, you can lock them out from bidding on your stuff, FOREVER!





One thing to remember.....Some trucks must DIE for other trucks to LIVE!
By WILD WALFORD'S56 - 16 Years Ago
I have locked some guy out from buying any of my parts also. Cannot tolerate liars.

Ebays charges and paypal fees are getting too high,but for now I can accept it.

By Bigwin56F100 - 16 Years Ago
The guy I locked out actually emailed me asking if he was STILL locked out. A real nut case!



I have some really good stuff I'm thinking of letting go soon, Once you get 10 of something its time to thin the stock levels! (Thats what my wife says)
By aussiebill - 16 Years Ago
WILD WALFORD'S56 (12/23/2009)
I have locked some guy out from buying any of my parts also. Cannot tolerate liars.

Ebays charges and paypal fees are getting too high,but for now I can accept it.

 

Kevin, couldnt agree more with you! if i showed you my list of blocked bidders it would take up 3 posts full.

One thing with the ebay fees and charges, i have allways looked at it like this, Where else could you advertise worldwide for 10 days and longer with relists till you sell it for the fees that they charge,? compare that with the costs of advertising in local paper one time or recycler for only that set period they offer and realistically only effects reasonably close people who can pickup, never mind the conveinence of paying online with protection etc, All that technology costs millions so i think the charges are pretty fair, although like everything, they keep creeping up. Have a nice Xmas in the snow? i,m going fishing tommorrow in 30 degree heat. best regards bill.

By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
Bill.......It's 30 degrees here too,but ours is 30F and yours must be 30C.

Merry Christmas!!!!!!!

By 2DRHRDTP57 - 16 Years Ago
Well when you live outside the continental US and have a love of USA origin vehicles, EBAY is your friend!!!, I have purchased around 300 items over the last 5 years for my 1957 Fords and 1936 Ford, I am the go to guy for half my friends who find the whole process to hard to contemplate, and EBAY has made finishing theirs and my own projects that much easier. Finding a set of High Ratio rockers or T Bird covers just aint gunna happen down here in little old New Zealand but EBAY makes the world a whole lot smaller and gives access to both parts and cars. Now if you think the prices are high then add another 20-30 % for shipping to everything you buy and you will understand how committed car enthusiasts are outside the US continent...

Now if I could just find a Edelbrock 573 manifold for less than a limb my life will be complete...BigGrinBigGrinBigGrin
By mctim64 - 16 Years Ago
I think ePay is great, no matter what you call it. Tongue  I do believe that it is going to help finance the Bonneville Comet. BigGrin
By montana ford man - 16 Years Ago
dan I enjoyed your article in yblock mag.it was great information and I think just because we as readers don't reply to an article,doesn't mean we don't value the info. my wife wonders why I keep all my yblock magazines and I tell her it is a great source of information that I can use now as well as later.I'm one of those gray haired kids of 56,so I need all the help I can get!Ebay is great, most people are basically honest,but there are always a few bad ones around.
By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
Just wanted to add my input about EBAY!Someone mentioned that they thought total costs to sell on Ebay were about 10% of selling price.I did a few calculations on items I have sold and figure its closer to 17% with fees and PP.However when you think about the worldwide exposure I still think its worth the cost.Like the fellows in Australia and New Zealand who find parts for our vintage Fords hard to find at home being in Canada is the same as far as availability of parts.95% of my purchases for parts are made on Ebay as well as selling items to finance(partly at least)my project.As far as items on Ebay being overpriced-supply and demand rules.Knowledge of what an item is worth and knowing it can be purchased from the suppliers like Tee-Bird and Macs etc for less is helpful.Never fails to amaze me that buyers will overpay(by a lot sometimes) for an item readily available from another source at a cheaper price.I listed a set of repro spark plug insulator rubber conduits which sell for about $5.00 from Tee-Bird.I was looking to get my cost back.Two guys decided they wanted them-sold for $80.00 and the winner was thrilled judging by feedback.When I started working on my car 3 years ago one of the first things I did was order a catalogue from Carpenter,Tee-Bird,Macs and Concours to find out what was available and at what price.Some buyers on Ebay havent done their homework and do pay too much.Knowledge also helps me to know what a harder to find item is worth if I am bidding. Anyway I appreciate having access to parts that I cant buy here in Canada.I have looked at some other auction type sites and nothing comes close to Ebay.I do think sometimes their fees are a little high and the requirement to only accept Paypal rubs me the wrong way.Lets not forget Ebay is in business to make a profit like all successful businesses.By the way my Ebay ID is "that56fordguy".
By aussiebill - 16 Years Ago

Oldcarmark.

Thanks for your input to this post i started, glad to see general consensus has similar view to mine. On the point of 2 guYs bidding in a battle royale and pushing the final price far too high on a minority item, i often check on the bidding historY and majority of the time its 2 guys with low feedback rateing score indicating inexepierence in auctions! its no different to Auction fever at real sale where putting your hand up to better previous bid only raises the cost each time, bit like a *issing competition. The sly old foxes bid high, bid late and come home with a feed, Yum! Y block parts, Yum!  Happy New Year to all!.

By Gordie T - 16 Years Ago
Am I just not getting it sometimes? (wife thinks so)..

A Road draft tube filter just sold on eBay for $40.05 us dollars..plus shipping.

I just ordered one from Napa for $8.00 Canadian, that I'll pick up next time I'm in town.



Is there something special about the one for 40 bucks?



Anyway, if you really really want something just throw your max bid in and don't look at it till you get the email saying it is yours. I'll lucked out many times and got items for a great price.



I've bought stuff from all over the states and Canada and the only poor experience I've had was a guy in Toronto who tried to hit me up for more money after I won the no reserve bidding. He refused to ship the item unless I paid more money. It took me a long time but eBay finally kicked him off the site. Jerks like that give Canadians a bad name.



Back to the left over turkey...


By oldcarmark - 16 Years Ago
Hello Gordie.There was something special about that filter.Its gold plated or did you miss that?Anyway like I said in my post-some bidders dont do their homework.
By Daniel Jessup - 16 Years Ago
Montanafordman,

Glad to hear somebody got something out of it. Hard to tell with no feedback or anything. I do know that the local fellas learned a few things. Some of the veteran Y block crowd doesn't know the first thing about ebay, but they want to bid to get parts and find what they need. That is why I wrote those articles - just to be a help to those folks. Wink