OLD TIME SPEED TRICKS


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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
Someone always talks about what we did in the past when working on our cars. I thought it might be amusing to share some-

We use to take the spring arm off the old set of points and add it to a new set with the thought it would allow us more revs without point float. Never proved it worked but you had to watch the gap because the wear block took the abuse.

What did you try?

By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
Hi, yes great topic! also used to loosen pointspring contact nut and increase spring tension by  pulling slotted spring further along to increase tension then locking up nut, reduced point bounce but was hard on rubbing block, Ah! those were the days !! but taught you all about variables and widened your mechanical skills. 

While talking about old tricks but on 56 customline 3 speed transmission, i was probably 19 and would go through a gear box pretty regularly, youthfull destruction! some would jump 2nd gear or top or rip the teeth off 1st gear and i remember armed only with a jack and 1 stand, pulling trans in gravelly driveway, dismantling it on piece of cardboard and replacing bits and adding 2 selector hub detent springs, "the wire like circlips" to selector 2/3 selector hub to increase detent pressure, reassemble it all, take off up the street, give it heaps and if something else wasnt right, go straight back to oil puddle in driveway and do it again, i could pull that trans in no time eventually! now it take me twice as long just to change the oil!. Ah memories, although i cant remember what i did yesterday. regards bill.Laugh

By speedpro56 - 15 Years Ago
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By Oldmics - 15 Years Ago
Had a switch tied into the alternator that I activated just as I got into the staging lanes.

Killed the alternator drag when going down the 1/4.

Not sure if it really worked but "Da Grump" did it so it was good enough for me.

Oldmics

By crenwelge - 15 Years Ago
If we are talking about the 1/4 miles marked on secluded roads, I did all sorts of silly things that may or may not have helped. Permanent changes were 4.27 rears from a station wagon with a T86 and Hurst mystery shifter, exhaust cutouts, .060 over with steel head gaskets, on the high end of the spectrum for rod and main clearance and shims under my valve springs and 14" tires. If it was a rather cool night and I was headed for a drive in restaurant where I knew I would probably be challenged, I would take my fan completely off and pull the field wire off the regulator. I would put about 60 psi in the front tires and about 26 in the rear and then throw some moth balls in the gas tank. My biggest problem was keeping input shafts, cluster gears and low/reverse sliding gears in my transmission. I never figured out an easy way to replace an O/D transmission with a Hurst shifter on it. But that problem went away after I got married.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
There was talk around here about a '57, in Kentucky I think, that was hard to beat on the street.  Seems he always wanted to race with the top down on his retractable.  All that steel in the trunk sure did wonders for traction with bias street tires.  Myself, if I ever did any street racing, always tried to arrange for the guy who counted down 1,2,3 to ride in the other car.  Once we were rolling, the extra weight in the other car was a help to me.
By Fordy Guy - 15 Years Ago
I remember going out to our quarter mile marked off on the alternate hiway 89. Back then very little traffic. I would go out with a little over a quarter tank of 105 octane and uncap when I got there then "power time" it. Some guys would put mothballs in their gas and shoot some starting fluid in the tank.
By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
My day was only 25 - 30 years ago but we did the moth ball thing too. Everyone was cutting out "Cats" and taking off air pumps, I just loved it when guys would turn the air cleaner lid over to get that throaty sound.  (I think I did it to Moms Buick Wink ) One of the funniest things I saw out at 320 (the marked off country road) was a guy that had a pretty hot Monza but could never get it to hook up so he got "Duke", a very large individual, to ride in the back for traction. Tongue  I thought you wanted the car to be lighter.  Ha! Maybe not "Old time speed tricks" but we thought they were. High school, what fun.
By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
Guys, great stories and very funny! i can relate to the fun we had growing up at those times, but laughed aloud when crenwelge worked out how to stop blowing gearboxes; Getting married!!! I,m still chuckling. but cant work out how the moths got into your gastanks?????????????????  Laugh
By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
Some friends of mine from St. Louis went to a little used highway, painted "Start", "Finish", and lines a quarter mile apart.  The cops kept watching there while the guys raced somewhere else.
By lowrider - 15 Years Ago
On my Moms 56 Customline I used to take the front exhaust crossover pipe off, pull it apart and bolt up the left side so the pipe pointed towards the fenderwell. Probably didnt help much but sounded good to a 16yr old. Had to quit when it finally burned the wiring there.
By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
Shame on you guys. Thank god I never did any of this stuff.Whistling
By Philo - 15 Years Ago
Way back in '63 a neighborhood friend bought a '54 business coupe from a small car lot in the area. It was a 239 with overdrive so it might have had 4.11 gears? Anyway he totally "gutted" the interior except for the bench seat. He dropped in a good used '57 312 and a T-10 four speed. With a good tune-up, that '54 was one of the fastest cars in L.A. (Lower Akron). Wink



Light means Might!
By Ted - 15 Years Ago

I had a push pull switch on the dash of my ’56 Customline Victoria that was placed on the lower face of the dash just in front of the shifter so my knuckles would push it in upon shifting to third gear.  At this point the car had a top loader four speed with a T handled Hurst shifter.  This would shut off one set of points in the dual point distributor and retard the timing.  This allowed more ignition timing for the launch and then the ignition retard was good for mph at the end of the track.  It took MSD quite awhile to add that retard feature back into their boxes so I could do the same thing again with an electronic ignition.

 

This just went along with side gapping and indexing the spark plugs.  Although each little trick didn’t accomplish much individually, together they made a big difference.

By jonnireb - 15 Years Ago
In 1957 there were no paved roads near my home, but there

was a timber bridge over prarion bayou just wide enough for

two cars. Only about 100 yards long, but we made do. One of

the guys had a 57 fairlane with 312 tbird special engine (4 bbl) , and another had a 56 with a 312. Some how the 56

always got to the end of the bridge first. Asking him years

later, he said he used to put rosin on that plank deck on his side of the bridge. Don't know if true. I was driving my dad's

53 f100 with it's flathead. Did'nt race it though. My driving

privileges were too precarious to risk.

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By texasmark1 - 15 Years Ago
ok, enlighten us "young guys"...

mothballs in the gas tank??!!

Mark

By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
When I was a young guy and my job at the station was pumping gas, checking oil and wiping windows - we had a mechanic who drove a little Oldsmobile ('63?) with an aluminum V8, turbocharger and side draft carb. It used a little tank of "go juice" (factory part I think) that was injected into the air stream when the boost came on. He never used the Oldsmobile recommended stuff - instead there was a kerosene can of "homebrew" on the back bench. This was rumored to be a mixture of moonshine and carburetor cleaner. i don't think the magic ingredient was 'shine - the station owner...and the mechanic would have used that for other purposes.......

This little car was very quick (especially from a rolling start) and the local hot shots soon learned to fear the little grey car - Corvettes, Mopars and especially.....the knuckleheads at the Fina station across the street ('57 chebbie)....got a lesson in being humble. So....my buddy Brad Davis and I decided to try our own version of the "magic chemical" in the Davis family Poncho. This involved a windshield washer from the salvage yard - and numerous concoctions we dreamed up to try. Isophryl alchohol and water seemed to work the best - but our seat of the pants dynamometer was probably less than calibrated. At any rate - the Davis Pontiac must have had the cleanest spark plugs in southern Missouri.    

By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
texasmark1 (1/12/2010)
ok, enlighten us "young guys"...



mothballs in the gas tank??!!



Mark




Not sure what the active ingredient is (naphtha?). Could be a car-culture "old wives' tale", but if it ever DID work, it was likely back in olden days when pump fuel was pretty tame, and most anything flammable was an improvement.
By Flying Jester - 15 Years Ago
As far as old school tricks, I have my 86 volvo rigged with a piece of bailing wire so that when I hit the gas, it turns the throttle and hits the choke a little. The computer should be smart enough to do that on it's own, but...



hehehe...when I was in the 8th grade me and a friend moved some cones so that if you wanted to go to the airport you had to take the long way around the school. DOT wouldn't move the cones because they thought it was a school thing, and the school thought it was a DOT thing. It was funny for about a week, and then we moved them because it was getting to be a little annoying...



Mothballs? Ha! I've run my volvo on a mixture of 30% acetone! It seems to make the car more powerful, but your gas mileage goes straight down the john. Like, less than a mile a gallon.
By crenwelge - 15 Years Ago
Back when trucks were way under powered truck drivers used to throw moth balls in the fuel tank, both gas and Diesel and it gave them noticeably more power. Since I grew up around trucks I tried it my my 50 GMC was well as my 56 Ford sedan. I don't know what it did, but it helped. And it would throw real pretty flames out of the exhaust especially when I had the cutouts open. I tried them a few times in a 220 Cummins. The truck would pull a gear higher, but the pyrometer would jump up to the red line in a hurry. Instead of the normal foot long flame out of the stack, I would have a 2 foot flame. Beings we were gasoline distributors and I hauled gas out of the Big Spring, TX refinery, I had access to avgas with lead which I think was 130 octane. I had to bump up my timing to get the full benefit out of that.
By Bob's 55 - 15 Years Ago
Steve, do you mean isopropyl alcohol, or rubbing alcohol? Which is, if I remember correctly, is a derivative of propane and water. We used to run isopropyl alcohol/water injection along with two three barrel Webers in the Corvair Corsa (sorry, but at least not a SBC) we raced to cool it so we could use higher compression and more advance.
By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
Yeah - I'm sure it was just plain old rubbing alcohol - we didn't have access to anything that ressembled methanol or ethanol. I'm sure the mist works if you "science it out" - we didn't.....maybe once in a while it just "worked out " for us...

At the same place of business - one of our steady visitors was a Doctor  - who owned a supercharged Avanti 327? (normally driven by his wife). She was constantly getting into trouble with the local cops - more than any of us - and the guy woulkd remove the belts to slow her down.....whereupon she would show up at the station with $10 (+belts) and smile sweetly.......Pretty soon (sometime the next week) a redfaced Doc would jump out of his Caddy and threaten anyone handy within an inch of their life - if they ever put the belts back on the Stude.

 

By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
At the same place of business - one of our steady visitors was a Doctor  - who owned a supercharged Avanti 327? (normally driven by his wife). She was constantly getting into trouble with the local cops - more than any of us - and the guy woulkd remove the belts to slow her down.....whereupon she would show up at the station with $10 (+belts) and smile sweetly.......Pretty soon (sometime the next week) a redfaced Doc would jump out of his Caddy and threaten anyone handy within an inch of their life - if they ever put the belts back on the Stude.

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    Steve, Probably was a 289 Studebaker engine. The 327 was the Rambler/AMC motor. Completely different. Friend of Hoosiers has a versions of this motor in a Lark called the red Tomato, runs 12's @ 110 mph, pure stock.

By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
The Avanti V-8 produced 240 horsepower from its 289 cubic inches. This was the normal R-l engine. For a few dollars more the R-2 option could be had with a Paxton supercharger on the V-8 putting the Avanti in the same performance league as fuel injected Corvettes and the sleek Jaguar XKE sports cars. The hotter Avanti R-3 used the same engine block bored out to 304.5 cubic inches. Still hotter was the R-4 with dual superchargers.

The Avanti II had a 327 Corvette engine.

By Nathan Soukup - 15 Years Ago
When I was a teen(Im only 37),I had 65 comet cyclone with a 289,I put some model airplane fuel in my gas tank,dont remember how much .It had 20% nitro in it.It was good for an extra blast of power.Never had any problems.                                                                               
By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned:

#1 Putting a screen under the carb. It was suppose to atomize the fuel better. They even sold little fan assy. that were to do this.

#2 They had a module that fit into the dist. cap before the coil wire that was suppose to increase your spark.

#3 And even the injector spark plugs or the plugs with 2 or 3 ground electrodes. Was suppose to increase hp by 5 to 7.

#4 Installing exhaust cut-outs, some with cables to open and shut from inside the car.

Oh those were the days!

By MoonShadow - 15 Years Ago
Cables to open from inside the car? Wow must be nice to be rich! How about black pipe welded to the exhaust pipe with a plumbing cap that you took off with channel locks (or hammer and punch). Only the high end customs actually had lakes pipes and they were hardly ever uncapped. If they were even functional?Cool

Also the "friend" at the airport that would sell you some Aviation fuel on occasion! Since high octane gas was still available out of the pump I'm not sure how much the avgas helped. Used to go to the "dial a grade" pumps for what 108 octane or something like that. Only on race weekends though it was near 50 cents a gallon.w00t

By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
Guilty....my '65 442 had the turnouts with pipe caps right behind the header collectors - and the Channelock's in the foot pan behind the front seat.....
By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
Anybody remember Honest Charlies in Tennessee? Or how about Warchowski in Chicago? They sold parts out of same warehouse as JC Whitney. I still have an old catalog from Honest Charlie- wish I could buy at those prices today!
By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
ford nut:

I also have an old HC catalog, also a JC Whitney when they were about 6x9 inches.

By PWH42 - 15 Years Ago
I grew up about a hundred miles from Chicago so we all bought a lot of stuff from Warshasky's/JC.Whitney.In those days you could go to there warehouse and pick up your order.Lots quicker than parcel post.I also still have some of  their old catalogs.In the 50s as far as I remember Honest Charlie's was the only place to get Smitty's steel packed mufflers.
By Philo - 15 Years Ago
Warshasky's/JC.Whitney back in the 60's used to carry just about any manual trans gear for any car, Zephrys included! I had 26 tooth Zephyr gears in my '48 which were great with the warmed-up flathead. After I installed the 312 with an adapter and Hurst motor mount from Honest Charley, the trans EXPLODED one day and I went to a T-10, shortened '57 driveshaft and a '59 Edsel 9" rear end!



Whitney also sold used engines. Nowdays they mostly carry over priced junk! I don't know how they stay in business.



Anybody remember Gratiot Auto Supply in Detroit? They had fair prices and a good selection of Hi-Po Ford stuff too.



Honest Charley's was the best all around source of speed equipment back then.
By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
When I lived in N.W Chicago area back in the 70s, I decided one day I wanted a big shifter ball for my Toyota Carina, so I drove all the way downtown to Warshawsky's. They had just what I wanted way high up on a pegboard display, but it was the only one in stock. Since I had come so far, I insisted they retrieve it. Long story short, to get rid of me the oriental counterman (warehouse was located near chinatown) eventually climbed up using a payphone for support, it ripped off the wall, and he fell and broke his leg. After the ambulance hauled him away and I still wouldn't leave, someone finally knocked it down with a broom handle and I caught it in mid air.