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By Dave V - 15 Years Ago
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I would like to install brake self adjusters to the original drum brakes on my 56 Victoria. I notice that Mac's has the repair kits for 58-59 Mercury. Does anyone know if these will work on my 56 Ford. Or are there any other sources for the correct kits. Thanks Dave
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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A pictorial article and list of parts for this conversion can be found in the Jan./Feb. '04 EarlyBird CTCI magazine. The author was Mike McNamee, ph. 770 594 7892.
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By MoonShadow - 15 Years Ago
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For those of us that don't have access to the mag. Perhaps it could be added to our technical section. Or published in the Y-Block magazine. Can you check into that? Even a scan would help. Chuck in NH
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By crenwelge - 15 Years Ago
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I would be interested in finding out about self adjusting brakes for a 56. I started hating adjusting brakes 50 years ago and I still don't like it.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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If Dave can't reach the author, I'd be glad to attempt scan & email (or hard copy forward, if needed) when provided with address. Would welcome feedback in return, as I plan the same conversion for rear drums eventually (after front disc kit installation).
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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Ive been meaning to ask the same question. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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I think I have a correct answer to your request for self-adjuster kits.In the Nov 09 edition of the Crown Vic assoc. magazine a member has added adjuster kits to his 55 Ford.Part #'s COLL-2A177-KT(left) and C0LL-2A176-KT(right) kits from from Macsantiqueauto'.I just had a look at his online catalogue for 1960-72 Ford cars and those kits look like they are complete with all parts to use on the 55-56 Fords.They sell for $11.95 each and you need one for each drum brake.You will also need 1 C1SS-2049 adjuster return spring for each drum you are converting.These are separate from the kit and sell for $2.95 each.Have a look.
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By paul2748 - 15 Years Ago
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I have the Early Bird article on my computer and would be willing to send it to any one who sends me an email requesting it.
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By Dave V - 15 Years Ago
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I appreciate the replies. The article in CVA magazine stated to order seperate return springs #C1SS-2049. According to Mac's catalog these springs are for 49-51 Ford rear drums being 4-5/8" long. The adjuster kits are for 58-59 Mercurys which use adjusting springs #B8A-2049 being 4-1/8" long. Does anyone know for sure which springs are required. Thanks again for all the interest & replies. Dave.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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Article only lists part# (WagnerF78551S-7041 combi-kit). Doesn't specify spring length.
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Hello Dave! If you look in the Macs 60-72 Car online Catalogue under brake category the 2nd page show those adjuster kits for Ford and lists the 2049 separatley for Ford as C1SS-2049 and another 2049 for Mercury application.If you call Macs I think they will verify for you.If you click on the diagram next to the part # it shows the kit less the 2049 spring which hooks onto the lever to return it to position.Mercury and Ford use different kits.The man who wrote the article in the CVA magazines name is Bob Bomhof.His email is bluemoon@nexicom.net.If you had questions about what exact parts are needed in addition to the kits I am sure he would tell you.
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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DANIEL TINDER (1/17/2010)
If Dave can't reach the author, I'd be glad to attempt scan & email (or hard copy forward, if needed) when provided with address. Would welcome feedback in return, as I plan the same conversion for rear drums eventually (after front disc kit installation).Email sent! THanks!
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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FYI: Just found some additional info I had overlooked: Replacement spring & self-adjuster kits for 65-73 Jeep Cherokee are supposed to fit (after .030" is milled off the shoe pin washer).
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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Daniel, Did you get my note with email addy? Can you please send a copy of the article? Thanks!!!
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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No email/address received as of yet.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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rgrove,
Article sent.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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Sent to MoonShadow, (meant to say). Still no address received for rgrove.
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By MoonShadow - 15 Years Ago
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Got it! Thanks Daniel..
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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DANIEL TINDER (1/23/2010)
Sent to MoonShadow, (meant to say). Still no address received for rgrove.Alright; I tried sending my email address to you again. Thanks!!
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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I was doing a little research using Napaonline.The front shoes on a 55-56 Ford are R-263.The rears are R55.A 1964 F100 2wd uses the same rear shoes (55).Adjuster kits from Napa are UP80691 and UP80692.Lever return springs are UP80592 packaged as 2.A 1970 Ford Custom 500 uses R-263 as rear shoes.Adjuster kits are UP80695 and UP80696.Return springs are UP80509 packaged as 2.If you want to have a look at pics go to Napaonline.com and look up parts for the above mentioned vehicles.Ballpark cost to do 4 wheels is $60.00.55-56 Ford cars and 55-57 T-Bird use the same brake shoes.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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Alright; I tried sending my email address to you again.
Thanks!![/quote]
Still no message received. Must be a glitch with the forum site?
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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Pages (3) sent.
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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THANK YOU very much! Got them! I may have missed it in this thread; are the part numbers the same for t-bird & fairlane? Thanks!!
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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Hey guys, just as an update. I tried ordering the kits from macs, and a few days later got a note that the parts were "on indefinate manufacturer backorder" They dont know when they will get more. I went down to my local napa and they ordered the parts and had them in a few days. I just hope they are the right ones - we just grabbed PNs from a mid 60's full size ford, so we will see.... Anyways, if anyone is thinking of doing this, start local!!
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Hello Ron! Were the numbers the same ones I came up with on an earlier post on this topic?Let us know how it works out and the Napa #'s you used.
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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Ok, heres the deal... Part numbers I used were (from Napa) UP80691 for the Left, and UP90692 for the right. I did NOT need any extra spring kit, etc, as the lower spring worked with the self adjuster kit. So for now everything is installed, but I guess I wont know if they are really working for a while yet? Some thoughts/observations (I’ve only done the front axle so far): Really easy to do. Very straightforward, and a good time to lube the backing plates/contact points with the shoes Pre-adjust the star adjuster prior to reassembly as best you can and BEFORE you put the drums on. The ones on (I think it was) the drivers side are NOT accessible through the slot in the backing plate once assembled, as they are now in a different location. The cables, etc go towards the back of the car Very easy to install the kit once you figure it out GOOD LUCK finding the 2-1/2" fender washers. I may have to get some on line-I used 2" washers for now, but I’m not crazy about them. Under just the right circumstances, it seems they could cause the shoe to not retract and leave the brake stuck; the 2-1/2" would be better by far. Also, don’t try making your own retainers out of 1/8" bar stock.....its too thick to allow the cable end to seat on the anchor pin properly....should have measured that before I made several of them.... Id be interested to know if anyone has been running this for a while and if they have had any problems....the fender washers seem kind of thin to hold the shoes in alignment....although there shouldn’t be much lateral load on them....but I have to think ford made the originals so thick for a reason? Haven’t done the backs yet; I wont until I figure out what to do on the retainers. Not sure if it will be any more difficult due to parking brake mechanism or not....Ill post if I run into any issues when I do it. Now on to figuring out why my brand new Demon Jr runs like absolute CRAP right out of the box (think undriveable....AARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!)
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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
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rgrove (4/5/2010)
Ok, heres the deal... Part numbers I used were (from Napa) UP80691 for the Left, and UP90692 for the right. I did NOT need any extra spring kit, etc, as the lower spring worked with the self adjuster kit. So for now everything is installed, but I guess I wont know if they are really working for a while yet? Some thoughts/observations (I’ve only done the front axle so far): Really easy to do. Very straightforward, and a good time to lube the backing plates/contact points with the shoes Pre-adjust the star adjuster prior to reassembly as best you can and BEFORE you put the drums on. The ones on (I think it was) the drivers side are NOT accessible through the slot in the backing plate once assembled, as they are now in a different location. The cables, etc go towards the back of the car Very easy to install the kit once you figure it out GOOD LUCK finding the 2-1/2" fender washers. I may have to get some on line-I used 2" washers for now, but I’m not crazy about them. Under just the right circumstances, it seems they could cause the shoe to not retract and leave the brake stuck; the 2-1/2" would be better by far. Also, don’t try making your own retainers out of 1/8" bar stock.....its too thick to allow the cable end to seat on the anchor pin properly....should have measured that before I made several of them.... Id be interested to know if anyone has been running this for a while and if they have had any problems....the fender washers seem kind of thin to hold the shoes in alignment....although there shouldn’t be much lateral load on them....but I have to think ford made the originals so thick for a reason? Haven’t done the backs yet; I wont until I figure out what to do on the retainers. Not sure if it will be any more difficult due to parking brake mechanism or not....Ill post if I run into any issues when I do it. Now on to figuring out why my brand new Demon Jr runs like absolute CRAP right out of the box (think undriveable....AARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!) Ron- How is everything working with adjusters and have you done the rears yet?
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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So far, everything has worked out great! Brakes are conssitently smooth/linear, with no pull, so I assume all is working ok. Im still not comfortable with having to use the 2" fender washers (vs 2.5"), as in my mind htere is the chance they will hang up a shoe (although probably not possible, it just "looks" that way). Problem is that I cant find 2.5" fender washers anywhere...I was going to post to see if someone on here could find some at there local hardware or farm & fleet store and send them to me, but never got around to it. Havent done the rears yet for no other reason than I want to be sure I have the larger washeres (if at all possible)..
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Hello Ron! The kit #'s 80691 and 80692 were actually for the rear brakes.Did you in fact use them on the front?80695 and 80696 were for the front.Cant be much difference if they worked on the front.
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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
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[quote]rgrove (4/5/2010)
Ok, heres the deal...
Pre-adjust the star adjuster prior to reassembly as best you can and BEFORE you put the drums on. The ones on (I think it was) the drivers side are NOT accessible through the slot in the backing plate once assembled, as they are now in a different location. I'm concerned about the adjuster being in a location that you can't adjust. Everything seems great as long as you don't need to remove drum. How will you loosen the shoes to remove the drum? Especially if there is any ridge at all.
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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I am considering doing this swap.Is it not possible to create a second "adjuster" hole in the backing plate?Use a stock plug to cover the original and add a second one for the "new" hole.Just wondered if its possible.
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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
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Anything is possible, after all it's a old Ford!
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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I guess I should restate my question.Is there anything that would prevent roughing in the correct size opening with a drill and fiinishing it with a little hand file?I think the adjusters would work fine if this is the only real modification required to do this installation.The 64 Ford F100 uses the same shoes on the front and the adjuster kits are readily available.
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By marvh - 15 Years Ago
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That should work. Some of the early backing plates that were used on first self adjuster brakes had the two holes.
The only time you would need to use the hole for an adjuster wrench is if the shoe should become worn into the drum and you needed to release it.
marv
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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I dont think that there is anything preventing you from making a second opening for "emergency" adjustments. I have to wonder if there isnt a way to swap around the backing plates to get them to align....maybe left to right or something, or two plates from the same side, etc.... I never really looked into it. I still need to validate part numbers used on front/rear. I do remember looking it up on line to confirm left/right, and im pretty sure i confirmed front/rear before i started the work....
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Ron,I thought about swapping sides for backing plates.Cant because of the "E " brake opening.
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By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
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oldcarmark (7/15/2010)
Ron,I thought about swapping sides for backing plates.Cant because of the "E " brake opening.Mark, why dont you just throw away this adjuster kit and leave brakes as normal, then you can adjust brakes like rest of these cars. Y
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Because I have installed the front disc brakes the rears need to be kept in better adjustment.Besides I like a challenge to take parts from a later model and retrofit them.Also since I installed the lowering blocks on the rear to match the drop on the front from the Granada spindles its a little more difficult to adjust the rear brakes manually.The blocks interfere with the adjusting tool.
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By rgrove - 15 Years Ago
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aussiebill (7/15/2010)
oldcarmark (7/15/2010)
Ron,I thought about swapping sides for backing plates.Cant because of the "E " brake opening.Mark, why dont you just throw away this adjuster kit and leave brakes as normal, then you can adjust brakes like rest of these cars. Y LOL
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