By Eddie Paskey - 15 Years Ago
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Hey Steve and Ted; Finally got the by pass hose restrictor in the T- bird, took a ride along coast, about 75 deg. and LOTS of traffic-- well it looks like I gained about 10 degrees!! Original gauge and Auto Meter underdash, both read cooler than before. drilled a 3/16 hole in the plug-- as per Ted and also drilled extra holes in Stat. as per Steve. Plesantly surprized. Thanks for all the help from everyone on this site, I always learn something!!! God Bless Eddie
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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Eddie - I'm glad to hear a favorable test report - my outfit is still buried in the garage. Finally got both of the "Jet-Hot" coated manifolds installed and just idling, there is a big change in the radiated underhood temperature. And the outside temp is siupposed to get up to 83° this week, better be getting my act together soon... You've got the smaller pulley on your waterpump drive don't you? And a fan clutch set-up? if so, who did you get it from? Does it operate on "speed" or a bi-metal temp actuator? My current set-up just has direct drive with the smaller pulley - six blade fan - and the noise level is considerable at idle. So I can imagine where that will go when I get it going on the freeway...When I mentioned this to an engineer I work with, he sent me this link.... http://www.rossairworks.com/content/view/19/16/ ...and told me that there are some pretty slick B-W fan drives on some of the diesel trucks these days. There is a "cross arm" rigid electrical lead that crosses in front of the fan and attaches to a small bearing on the nose of the fan blade/electric clutch assembly. When a separate thermocouple controller determines the need for the fan - a relay turns it on. Very clean - mechanical fan - electric "On-Off". Could be temp controlled on the street - and switchd off at the track.
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By Eddie Paskey - 15 Years Ago
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Hey Steve; Yes I have the smaller pulley from Concours and The clutch fan set up from Casco. Has Thermo spring, the better clutch type. Have been in over 100 deg temp and not had a problem, well worth the cost. Steve I also have A/C, but have the condensor assembly under the right front fender. Used the remote condensor with electric fan, from a NPR tilt cab truck-- this way I don't have the condensor heat going into the rad. Been on now for 4 years. Gotta Drive Cool Man!! many Thanks for everyones help. God Bless Eddie
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By BrianL - 15 Years Ago
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Hi Eddie & Steve, I'm following this topic with interest. Where exactly did you place the restrictor? The bypass hose is the 5/8" hose from the water pump back towards the block? regards,
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By rick55 - 15 Years Ago
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Eddie Paskey (3/14/2010) Hey Steve and Ted; Finally got the by pass hoserestrictor in the T- bird, took a ride along coast, about 75 deg. and LOTS of traffic-- well it looks like I gained about 10 degrees!! Original gauge and Auto Meter underdash, both read cooler than before.drilled a 3/16 hole in the plug-- as per Ted and also drilled extra holes in Stat. as per Steve. Plesantly surprized. Thanks for all the help from everyone on this site, I always learn something!!! God Bless Eddie
I have a couple of mates with overheating dramas on rebuilt engines and new radiators. Our summer temps here reach the stratosphere anything up to 112F - not quite death valley I know but certainly uncomfortable for these old girls.
I will pass this info onto them and hopefully it well help their problems disappear.
Our winter temp never goes much below 40F even on the coldest day or night.
I had never thought of restricting the 5/8 hose to help in cooling but it certainly makes sense.I must second the sentiment that there is a wealth of information on this forum for us all and thank you all for your input.
Regards
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By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
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Lets see the full expanation of this restrictor.Nothing in previous discussions that I could find.Would like to know what was done and why?
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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I'd also like to see some more feedback before I get out the 3/16 drill and go crazy. The last time my thermostat stuck closed, I was trapped in heavy traffic on a super-hot day, in a VERY bad neighborhood. I'm hoping the extra holes (plus running the heater) would allow me to get to a safe area before a head gasket lets go. But, slower warmups will likely reduce longevity somewhat?
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By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
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Its not rocket science to alter thermostat flow to suit different heat and temp ranges. Keep in mind the thermo was designed to initally stop coolant flow to bring engine to operating temp then snap open within a temp range generally 160-180 deg, THEN become a controlled flow restriction to move the coolant through the designed cooling system .i,e radiator plus fan air flow. BUT that is in a perfect clean unblocked radiator, block, water passeges, correct fan size and fan pulley!. Alter any of those by either change or normal radiator and core blockage etc will then reduce the cooling efficency of the cooling system. As most folks generally look for the quick fix and half assed push a hose into rad & block to clean it out, it doesnt do a lot, its fortunate that the thermostat is easily accessable and the flow can be altered, just like rejetting a carb. Over the years i have modified thermostats and cooling systems to suit the heating situations involved in many vehicles. Teds reducing the flow through the bypass is another way of helping, and is simple if you regard adjusting the coolant flow rate by adding more holes in the thermostat restriction, sort of tailor making the restriction to allow for what ever flow reduction there is from the condition of the system. In a similar way, altering speed of flow volume by pulley diameter change or fan air flow rate by different fan sizes etc, temp changes can be made to suit your car and climate, but do 1 step at a time to be able to measure change. Its only my opinion from from years of working on cars. best regards bill.
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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Brian and Mark - This is just a simple change to how water flows through the engine. The bypass hose is the way for water to "short circuit" back to the waterpump when the engine is cold, and the thermostat is closed. It is a rapid warm-up device. When the engine is warm - thermostat open - water is still bypassing the radiator via this route. A very short hose - a size most of us have around the household for use in the yard - is directly connected to pump suction and running hot water back into the engine. Running this flow through the radiator instead can add cooling. Eddies car showed approximately a 10°F drop. Using a partial block of the bypass can make this happen. I used a 3/8 brass pipe plug with a 3/16 hole drilled through it. To make sure the pump was not starting up cold against a complete "deadhead" - some holes were drilled into the thermostat as well. The 3/16 plug hole was suggested by Ted as a way to insure that air bubbles trapped in the front cover of the engine when it is stopped - had a way back up to the intake manifold. 
This is a "Robertshaw" style of thermostat and you can buy them - premodified by Stewart Components - or drill them yourself. There are 3 x 3/16" holes added into the poppet as shown here. If you have a restoration type car - no one will ever see the modification - but cooling will be enhanced.
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By petew - 15 Years Ago
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What is the part # for the modified 180 degree thermostat From Stewart Components ? The website was a little unclear. Pete
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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This page shows the part numbers #304-306 fit the Ford (239) (256) and (272) - which also means they fit the 292 and 312 motors http://www.stewartcomponents.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=Therm When parts counter guys are confused about these thermostats - shift gears and ask for the part that fits a Chrysler 440 big block....
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By BrianL - 15 Years Ago
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I'm still unclear where this restrictor brass plug with the 3/16" hole in it is installed in the 5/8" bypass hose circuit. If this has already been explained, I apologize. I did a search & haven't yet found it. I do already have the Robert Shaw style thermostat, but find this intriguing. She always runs towards the high side of the gage & I would like to gain any margin I can. Thanks. The knowledge I pick up here from this forum is truly appreciated.
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By petew - 15 Years Ago
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what confused me is that the 304-306 thermostats are listed as being "non modified" which I imagine means no holes. Don't see any listed in that group that have the holes
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By paul2748 - 15 Years Ago
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petew (3/17/2010) what confused me is that the 304-306 thermostats are listed as being "non modified" which I imagine means no holes. Don't see any listed in that group that have the holes
Ditto
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By Ted - 15 Years Ago
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BrianL (3/17/2010) I'm still unclear where this restrictor brass plug with the 3/16" hole in it is installed in the 5/8" bypass hose circuit. If this has already been explained, I apologize. I did a search & haven't yet found it.The restrictor simply goes anywhere within the 4” section of bypass hose that’s between the thermostat housing and the waterpump. The primary reason for not blocking the bypass hose completely on the Y is to insure that air that is trapped in the water pump or timing cover will purge itself and subsequently eliminate an air lock which in turn prevents coolant flow. I’ll add that completely blocking the passpass on racing engines is a common practice. Here’s a thread that touched on the subject of drilled thermostats and restricting the bypass hose. http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic35079-3-1.aspx If you’re not having an overheating problem due to ambient conditions, then restricting the bypass is an item not needing to worry about. This is obviously not a fix for other cooling problems that may be present.
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By paul2748 - 15 Years Ago
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How is the restrictor held inside the bypass hose?
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By Ted - 15 Years Ago
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Machining the plug just a bit larger than the hose and pressing it into the hose middle is one way. Putting an additional clamp around the middle of the hose so the restrictor is held tight is another. As long as the restrictor is 5/8” diameter or larger, it’s not going to get past the hose nipples on each end of it if a clamp is not used.
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By Duck - 15 Years Ago
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Couldn't you just use a shutoff tee with a stub of hose on either side (instead of a drilled plug)? That way you could open or close it to suit the ambient temperature (?) Just my .02's worth- /Duck
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By petew - 15 Years Ago
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Just ordered a thermostat from Stewart. I ordered a # 304 (160 degree) and they are going to drill the holes. So the answer to the question is there is no current part # for a modified thermostat for a Y block. Pete
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By 'GB'ird - 15 Years Ago
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Couldn't you just use a shutoff tee with a stub of hose on either side (instead of a drilled plug)? That way you could open or close it to suit the ambient temperature (?) I really like Duck's idea and think I might look into doing this myself. Is there a downside? Cheers Richard
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By 57FordPU - 15 Years Ago
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I have no experience with restrictors, but trying to change that short piece of hose requires some flexibility when trying to install with the water pump nipple and thermostat housing still installed (trying to save gaskets). Adding a tee would just about take all the flex out of the hose and make it even more difficult to install. I believe it would be much less difficult to change the hose with a plug it. It would be easier of course if you removed either the water pump nipple or the thermostat housing (or both) before installation, but you will most likely need new gaskets. My second thought is the adjustability of the bypass flow would be good with a shutoff tee, but the amount of restriction would be difficult (if not impossible) to measure. However, a little trial and error might dial it right in to suit your current needs.
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By DANIEL TINDER - 15 Years Ago
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'GB'ird (3/19/2010) Couldn't you just use a shutoff tee with a stub of hose on either side (instead of a drilled plug)? That way you could open or close it to suit the ambient temperature (?)
I really like Duck's idea and think I might look into doing this myself. Is there a downside?
Cheers
Richard
Valve would likely have to be tested/marked to calibrate approximate restrictor flow (they tend to be non-linear) to insure air escape from timing cover (total closure locked out also). Since thermostat would still need to be modified (?), warm-up should remain slower than OEM. So unless you live in Alaska and drive in winter (defroster needed quickly), why bother? Best rig might be plumbed manual heater valve with inside control (quick heat/max cooling)?
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By petew - 15 Years Ago
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Mr. Paskey I want to buy a smaller diameter water pump pulley like you have. You mentioned that you got it from Concours but I can't find it in their catalog. Do you have a part # ? Pete
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By Eddie Paskey - 15 Years Ago
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Hey Pete;; Water Pump Pulley #8509-SP. Hope that does it!!! Sure helped our car!!! Good Luck Eddie
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By petew - 15 Years Ago
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Thank you sir.....
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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I finally gathered up enough parts to put the thermal fan clutch system on my rig this weekend. The Hayden severe duty clutch is part number 2797 (a truck part) and the aluminum pulley is modified from a part I got from CVF Racing. I also fitted a six blade fan made to fit the larger clutch style bolt pattern. 
It proved impossible to find the smaller diameter, single V-groove pulley, with close to the proper "backspace" - except from Concours in steel - so I bought a less expensive, aluminum double groove from CVF (for a small block Ford) and had it modified. By cutting off the second (back) groove, reducing the outer diameter to 6.0 inches (down from 6.2), and opening the remaining V-groove to fit the earlier fan belt size - it works well. I had to move the pump pulley/fan mounting flange .1 inches toward the radiator (to align it with the crank pulley). CVF has reasonable pricing for their aluminum pulleys and they are American made. Try..... cvfracing.com I heard that it is possible to make a double groove steel pulley (302 Windsor) into a short single, by chopping off the second groove and dressing everything smooth - I haven't tried this. There are pictures of the modification on the internet - so there must be some Windsor applications that need the short length single groove pulley. You probably will have to use a puller or press on the waterpump mounting flange to get everything back in line on a Y-block.
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