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By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
So here is my tale of Heatache,

Over the winter I removed my 272 and sent it over to a local machine shop who claimed to have experience in the imfamous Y, 3 months later I get back my engine (40 over, isky e4, and just about everything new, to the tune 0f 3500.00), I install the engine (with the tri power from ebay only to learn the manifold was cracked, then went back to the stock 2bbl), new clutch, pressure plate, bearing, and machined flywheel.

I start it up , ready to run for 20 mintues at 2,000 rpm as isky suggests with the zinc additive, only to find I have no oil pressure. I call the rebuilder and he says " It must have lost prime" , so i pack the oil pump with vasoline ( got some strange looks buying the family size jar) and i run it with a drill, I get 50lbs of oil pressure. Elated, i reinstall the dist set everything up , start it and vroom, sound great but the oil pressure started at 16lbs and dropped to zero, i shut it right down.

i figure maybe he didn't change the intermidiate rod and maybe it wasn't going into the dist far enough, but that was not the case, I reprime the pump and try again, still no oil pressure.

Any words of wisdom that may save the rebuilders nose from getting broken?

Helpppppppp,

Mike

By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
When you ran it with the drill(prelube) did you get oil up to the head?Are you using a known good pressure gauge?
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
Yes it went to both heads and I can actually see the oil come up the tube for the gauge when there is pressure, the gauge is new and working.
By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
Mike, any chance the rubber oil pump seal to external pickup tube is not sealing correctly allowing pump to suck air?  just a thought.
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
There is no leaks what-so-ever, that was something I thought of and disproved. But thanks, all ideas are welcomed.
By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
Bills suggestion sounds like a good place to start.If you get flow up to the top then the pump is obviously working.Is the drive shaft installed correctly.We had quite a discussion about the ARP one I bought that had the wrong size washer installed on the wrong end of the shaft.Washer should be on the bottom end so it cant be pulled out of the pump.I would recheck that seal on the oil pump pickup tube first.Sounds like it is sucking air and looses prime.
By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
Is the distributor correct?
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
yes checked fit at dist and at oil pump
By Hoosier Hurricane - 15 Years Ago
Since you can prime it and get 50 psi, but no pressure when the distributor is turning the pump, I'd take a good look at the hex inside the distributor shaft.  Also, if a new drive rod was installed, maybe it's the wrong one and too short.
By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
Don't forget we discussed a while back about how some new oil pumps are too deep on the drive hole and even the correct drive shaft will slip down in and not contact the dizzy,  Take a look at that.
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
It was a new rod, a stock ford rod, and thats what i did yesterday examined the depth the rod was going into both the pump and the dist, which is why i am so confused, they were fine.
By Daniel Jessup - 15 Years Ago
Any chance that something is down there getting to your screen on the pickup tube? Maybe when they sealed up the oil pan there was a piece of gasket in there or something that is eventually blocking oil flow. How long do you prime the pump? I guess it would be a simple check for an intermittently block screen just by running your drill on that hex drive rod for a little while longer, like maybe a couple of minutes, just to let all oil go through the process of running from bottom to the top.

Second, some of the guys hinted on how that dist gear engages your gear on the camshaft. I assume you alright there? I guess an easy check would be to turn the crank dampener a couple of revolutions while watching the rotor on the dizzy turn. But you did not say there were any issues with ignition on startup, so that may not be it either.

Have you tried pulling the oil pump back out altogether? That way you could check your grommet for the pickup tube and you could also check that rod by letting it slip out when the oil pump is removed. While that distributor is out, insert the rod into the end of the distributor and check to see there is no play (think that Hoosier may be talking about that idea).

Hope you find it soon, I know how frustrating this kind of thing can be! w00t 

By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
Use the drill to turn the shaft and see if you can duplicate the condition. If not, then I'd suspect something wrong with the distributor. Is the hex partially stripped out of the distributor shaft?

If you can duplicate it, then in addition to what's been mentioned, maybe the oil pump bypass valve is sticking open, in bypass mode.

Just for S&G, buy or borrow another gauge. New does not always equal good or working.
By Flying Jester - 15 Years Ago
At the risk of sounding the fool (all my experience on this subject comes from a 78 dodge van 360) the drill could be spinning the opposite direction of the engine distributor, and if the pump is the flower-kind it might only work in one direction. Then, though, we come to the question of why the pump is meant to spin the wrong way...I never said I had it all worked out...
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
ok my y-guru friends, the drive for the pump is seated correctly in both the dizzy and oil pump. The feed tube is tight and not leaking in either the pan or pump inlet. Re packed the oil pump, and this time didn't run the drill, started the truck. Only had 8lbs of pressure at idle, and as soon as you gave it any gas at all, it dropped to zero. Sighhhhhhhhh

If I found a magic lamp, having this engine running would be the first of the 3 wishes

By jepito - 15 Years Ago
have you checked clearence from the sump to the pan? if to close it would restrict flow to the pump and could cause the pump to cavitate and stop pumping. If sump is to high then after a few quarts get pulled out of the pan it becomes exposed to air and starts to cacitate and stop pumping. Both of these would become worse with more RPM.
By Butch Lawson - 15 Years Ago
Sounds like you have a mechanical guage.  I installed one on a small block one time and had no oil pressure.  For some reason the oil never actually made it up to the guage through the plastic tube.  I changed the guage and "bingo".....had oil pressure.
By Pete 55Tbird - 15 Years Ago
Mike

Please answer some questions.

What kind of oil pressure gage and how/where is it connected?

Are you turning the oil shaft counter clockwise with the drill?

Do you have oil flow at the rocker arms?

Have you tried changing the oil filter brand and what type is on it now?

With the drill the crank, cam, etc are not rotating. Try turning the crank and see if that makes a difference.

Get the person who did the rebuild to fix it before you disassemble it.

By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
Did you ever check the bypass valve to see if it is sticking open? Or maybe it's the seventh fetzer.  I'll hang up and wait for your answer.
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
It is an auto meter oil pressure gauge, and it does work with the drill , can watch the oil come up the tube with the drill and i get a reading.

changing the crank position has a no change effect.

yes i turned it counter clockwise.

the distributor is new, (msd) , and i checked the fit with a new oil pump rod.

The filter is a Motorcraft FL1a,

By Y block Billy - 15 Years Ago
Do you have one of those oil filter adapters from canister type to conventional oil filter, if so, check and make sure the hole/holes is at the top.
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
Well I havn't been around awhile because I was thoroughly aggrevated. The engine came out again, because it was a bad oil pump (although it was new), but then even with amazing oil pressure,no oil to the right head, which was why I rebuilt in the first place. The rebuilder says there was something blocking the oil ring on the cam bearing. Sooooo, i got it home and drove it finally, only to find my rebuilt 94 carb was leaking like crazy, so i tried the center carb from the tri power i bought on ebay (carbs sure did look nice), carb was unuseable. I give up, tomorrow I order a blue thunder intake, and here are my questions:

I have a fresh 272, 040 over with and Isky E4 cam,

What carb should I use? in terms of cfm?

And as far as throttle linkage? some sort of cable setup?

I want to drive this thing !!!!!

By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
MikeLongIsland (6/6/2010)
Well I havn't been around awhile because I was thoroughly aggrevated. The engine came out again, because it was a bad oil pump (although it was new), but then even with amazing oil pressure,no oil to the right head, which was why I rebuilt in the first place. The rebuilder says there was something blocking the oil ring on the cam bearing. Sooooo, i got it home and drove it finally, only to find my rebuilt 94 carb was leaking like crazy, so i tried the center carb from the tri power i bought on ebay (carbs sure did look nice), carb was unuseable. I give up, tomorrow I order a blue thunder intake, and here are my questions:

I have a fresh 272, 040 over with and Isky E4 cam,

What carb should I use? in terms of cfm?

And as far as throttle linkage? some sort of cable setup?

I want to drive this thing !!!!!

Mike, cant suggest anything the other guys have alleady done, but am thinking you may be better offf with john mummerts new 4bbl intake for street use, i think it has better power range for street use. just a suggestion. regards bill.

By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
Spoke to John Mummerts today (nice guy) and ordered a manifold. Then I ordered a holley 390cfm carb! So if all gets here I should be cruising by the weekend !!

Mike

By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
So it was a bad oil pump?
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
combination bad pump (which was new) and then no oil to the head was "foreign matter" in the cam bearing groove.
By oldcarmark - 15 Years Ago
So now you have oil to both heads correct?
By MikeLongIsland - 15 Years Ago
yes sir , more on the left than the right, but even the right side is acceptable.