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By Ol Ford Guy - 15 Years Ago
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I was searching the internet for oil the other day, and I came across this on the Valvoline site. They have a VR-1 synthetic that they say contains zinc for flat tappet applications. The VR stands for Valvoline Racing. Anyone have any experience with this?
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By lowrider - 15 Years Ago
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I use it in my 57 Ford. Seems to work fine. No flat tappets. Its on sale now at AutoZone 1/2 price until the end of the month. Picked up a case for 26$
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By yehaabill - 15 Years Ago
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Y-Guy Old Ford: Isky will not recomend it for a new cam but, he will recomend 20-50 Valvoline Racing. Ted or John will give you the "lowdown". Bill
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By paul2748 - 15 Years Ago
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You don't need "racing" oil to get the proper amount of ZDDP (zinc with another additive). While, I guess, others use it with no problems, I heard that racing oil has a different type of additive package that may not be as good as the oil designed for the street.????????
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By Greg D - 15 Years Ago
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GM sells a ZDDP additive that you can add to your favorite oil.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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The way I interpret the VR1 oil is that it's a high performance street oil and Racing in the name is a marketing device. I was trying to find the PDS of other oils, Castrol, Rotella, Pennzoil, etc, to see how they compare, but unless I overlooked it, none of them list the zddp content, among other things.
I have friends involved in local circle track racing who happen to use Valvoline racing oil. It is not VR1 that they use.
The big difference I see in the between the Valvoline VR1 and the actual Valvoline racing oil is lack of detergent in the racing oil.
For what it's worth, I've used the VR1 in my engine since it was first fired, with no additional additives, and have had no problems that I can blame on the oil.
Also for what it's worth, I ran regular Valvoline for about 11k miles before building the engine and there were no signs of abnormal wear. I even ran Mobile 1 for 1 interval.
An interesting observation is that all of the conventional Valvoline multigrades have the same ZDDP content, all the way from 5w20 to 20w50. It was previously my understanding that all 40w and higher have higher content which is sufficient for older engines but that's clearly not the case looking at the PDS for the Valvoline products.
My honest opinion about it is once the engine has a good number of break in miles, the oil used is not as critical as we might think, particularly for street engines with relatively light spring pressures, though I admit I am still leery about using just any oil. And I don't want to be the guinea pig. It's bad enough that new parts don't want to stay together. I don't need to potentially encourage them to come apart.
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By Ol Ford Guy - 15 Years Ago
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Well, I did a search on zinc, I usually do a search first. I was of the opinion that with the passing of the old Rotella, zinc was no longer approved for use in road driven vehicles. I bought a supply of the old Rotella, so I think I'm covered for a while...but if there is a synthetic with zinc, I may use them. I have used Mobil 1 in my vehicles for years. If zinc is in 40W plus lubricants, what's the problem? I guess there isn't a problem, and you can add ZDDP if you need to. Oh, I learned that when you see 10W 30, the W is for Winter, not weight
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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Ol Ford Guy (5/25/2010)
If zinc is in 40W plus lubricants, what's the problem?
The potential problem is that it may not be the case. According to Valvoline's documentation for conventional motor oils, the heavier stuff has neither more nor less than the lighter stuff. It's all the same content.
Can anyone find the content of other brands of oil? Every product data sheet (pds) I find it is either not present or left blank.
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By BPoland858 - 15 Years Ago
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this is a link to a T-Bird site, but it has some information about ZDDP, and the quantities of it in modern oils. http://www.ctci.org/gilsgarage/EngineOil.php
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By Greg D - 15 Years Ago
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This was just posted over on my truck site by a member.
Oil with ZDDP engineered for our older engines.
Now if they would just makes leaded gas at 1964 prices for us.....................
http://www.compcams.com/v002/Products/CC-%27Lubricants%27-1.aspx
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By kidcourier - 15 Years Ago
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Speaking of engine oils--has anyone tried Brad-Penn motor oils(www.bradpennracing.com),they advertise their oil for older cars with solid lifters specifically with dzzp with single or multi weights(which would be best?),I think their bulk plant is in Penn. state. KID
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By kidcourier - 15 Years Ago
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OOPS! ment ZDDP! KID
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By Ol'ford nut - 15 Years Ago
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http://cam-shield.com/ Buy your additive and add to your oil.
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