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By toreadorxlt - 14 Years Ago
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I just bought a running y-block for $200. I do not have the flywheel or anything behind it. I am looking for the most cost effective way to run a t5.. My options seem to be bendtsen's kit and mummerts kit/s.
Given that bendtsen's come with the starter and seemingly runs GM parts, I am hoping that a s10 t5 would be an easy swap with off the shelf/in stock cheap parts at my local parts house.
Mummerts kit's require me to buy a bellhousing, pressure plate, yblock starter, clutch, flywheel and everything for a y-block.
In the end it seems to be a total wash and even in price. (Roughly $1000 either way minus transmission)
Which route do you guys think I should proceed in? I have a bellhousing for the y-block but I am unsure If I can use it with mummerts methods. Can you guys help me with that? Attached is am image of the bellhousing.
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By Hutz 292 - 14 Years Ago
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I recently bought a kit from bendstens and installed an E4OD in my 62 F100 4X4. The kit was very complete and the instructions were very clear. It came with adapter plate, starter, flywheel, bolts and clear instructions. I had to build motor mounts off of the adapter plate but it wasn't that bad to do. Working with John is very good also so if you have any questions just give John a call. Good luck with your build. Robi
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By Fairlane62 - 14 Years Ago
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Thats an automatic bellhousing, so it won't work with the T5 conversion. James
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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Hutz 292 (4/6/2011)
I recently bought a kit from bendstens and installed an E4OD in my 62 F100 4X4. The kit was very complete and the instructions were very clear. It came with adapter plate, starter, flywheel, bolts and clear instructions. I had to build motor mounts off of the adapter plate but it wasn't that bad to do. Working with John is very good also so if you have any questions just give John a call. Good luck with your build. Robi Nice socks! lol.
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By gritsngumbo - 14 Years Ago
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You need a 3 speed transmission bell to have John modify for the T-5.. Depending where you live, shouldn't be too hard to find a bell nor a fly wheel, though shipping can be a problem due to weight. Shipping for the bell is about $45. You're going to need a clutch and PP no matter which way you go with a manual.
Oh yeah, you're going to need a Mustang T-5 not an S-10 or other GM. Folks (particularly in trucks) use an S-10 tail shaft on the Mustang T-5 as it moves the shifter about 8" forward.
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By Fairlane62 - 14 Years Ago
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It also depends on whether you are putting this into a truck or car as they use different bellhousings. James
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By Y block Billy - 14 Years Ago
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The bolt pattern on that bell does not look like it fits Y block to me, have you put it up to the back of your engine?
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By gritsngumbo - 14 Years Ago
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Fairlane62 (4/7/2011)
It also depends on whether you are putting this into a truck or car as they use different bellhousings.James
That is true. I "assumed" (I know you're not supposed to do that :-)) that the OP had a car, not a truck, based on the bell housing picture (no ears).
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By toreadorxlt - 14 Years Ago
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Thanks guys.
It is going in a 1930 pontiac 3W coupe. Length isn't a big issue. Would it be possible to run a S10 tranny on the bendtsen's kit? It seems like it just turns the back of my Y into a SBC.
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By charliemccraney - 14 Years Ago
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On Bendtsens website is says it can be used with manual or automatic. But at $875 for the adapter, there are more cost effective ways. An adapter plate and a car bell housing or a modified truck bell housing is a lot less than Bendtsens for the same goal. No matter which adapter you use, you'll need clutch components, so don't figure that into the comparison. With an adapter, flywheel, and starter, you should come out at least $100 less than Bendtsens. The Automotive Electric Services starter is excellent. You can find them in the links of the home page. But it won't look remotely period correct if that's what you're going for.
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By 56f100LongIsland - 14 Years Ago
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I am planning on (as soon as my back feels better) on putting a c4 into my 56 f100 (with mummerts bell housing, already purchased) If you live anywhere near NY, I have a 3 speed in it now, and everything will be available once i make the swap.
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By masterced - 14 Years Ago
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I put a T5 into my 56 ford a while ago and it has made all the difference. I used Mummerts kit which worked great. I got a used car bellhousing from him, but I had a transmission from a 85-93 mustang so I can't comment on how a s10 would fit or not. Shortly after I bought all the parts from Mummert I found a '56 parts car nearby that had all the clutch parts I needed (I was switching over from an old Ford-O-Matic, so I had a heap of issues to solve) The car did have a bellhousing in it in good shape, and putting it side to side with the used one I got from Mummert, it was identical. So if you decide to go with Mummerts kit, I may be able to sell you the extra bellhousing I have.
Actually now that I think of it, I ended up using the bellhousing from the '56 parts car I got, because it had the throw out bearing fork and bracket I needed. So the extra bellhousing I have is the used one I got from Mummert, but I don't have a throwout bearing fork for it.
I also used the Automotive Electric starter and it is amazing! Bolts right up to the bellhousing and turns the engine over like a champ! I couldn't figure out how to use the stock '56 gasket that goes in between the starter and the bellhousing though, so I had to make my own.
I wont try and get into pricing, cause Im sure you have a better idea of what you need/want, but as far as functionality and customer service I have high regard for Mummerts! And if you want to stop swearing at your old starter, then the gear reduction starter is the only way!
Ced
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By HT32BSX115 - 14 Years Ago
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Hutz 292 (4/6/2011)
I recently bought a kit from bendstens and installed an E4OD in my 62 F100 4X4. The kit was very complete and the instructions were very clear. It came with adapter plate, starter, flywheel, bolts and clear instructions. I had to build motor mounts off of the adapter plate but it wasn't that bad to do. Working with John is very good also so if you have any questions just give John a call. Good luck with your build.
Robi
Hi Robi,
I sent you a PM. I'd LOVE to talk to you about your engine/trans install!
Regards,
Rick
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By Fairlane62 - 14 Years Ago
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toreadorxlt (4/9/2011)
Thanks guys.
It is going in a 1930 pontiac 3W coupe. Length isn't a big issue. Would it be possible to run a S10 tranny on the bendtsen's kit? It seems like it just turns the back of my Y into a SBC. Way to go, glad to see a Ford engine going into a GM car. James
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By toreadorxlt - 14 Years Ago
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56f100LongIsland (4/10/2011)
I am planning on (as soon as my back feels better) on putting a c4 into my 56 f100 (with mummerts bell housing, already purchased) If you live anywhere near NY, I have a 3 speed in it now, and everything will be available once i make the swap.
I would love to take that off your hands. Please PM me or email me at dragginthru@gmail.com when the time comes.
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By Outlaw56 - 14 Years Ago
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I am also considering using a mustang T-5 on my 1956 Ford F-100 with the 292 Y-block. I presently have two bell truck bell housings with flywheels and pressure plates running manual 3 and 4 speed transmissions. If I understand correctly, the kit John sells will work with these bell housings. Will the clutch and pressure plate work with this swap as well? Can an S-10 tail shaft simply replace the tail shaft on a mustang T-5 by just bolting up with no additional modifications?
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By charliemccraney - 14 Years Ago
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You will need at least a couple new components for the clutch. While the S10 swap is an option, I advise you so determine if the T5 will work as is out of the Mustang for your needs. The S10 swap introduces it's own set of issues. If you need the S10 housing, it's absolutely worth it but if not, it's just additional headaches and expense.
Here is a pretty good outline of a T5 install.
http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic15164-4-1.aspx?
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By Outlaw56 - 14 Years Ago
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Is there a specific year mustang T-5 that might work with a 1956 Ford 292 F-100 (3/4 speed manual transmission)? How much consideration should be given to the "world class" option?
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By charliemccraney - 14 Years Ago
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You want a T5 from a 1983- 1993 Mustang. Re the world class, there are many opinions on it. The conclusion I drew when I was researching is that world class doesn't mean much of anything. They basically have some upgrades that increase the reliability and user friendliness. It has nothing to do with the overall strength of the transmission. With that in mind, you should not be overly concerned with finding a world class T5 and if you choose to rebuild the transmission, then it does not matter at all, just have it upgraded at the time of the rebuild. Above all, research for yourself and draw your own conclusion.
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By Outlaw56 - 14 Years Ago
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Thanks Charlie, I am assuming the T-5 out of a 83-93 Mustang would be quite an improvement over the truck floor shift 3 and 4 speeds that bolt to the Y-Blocks. I have not had the opportunity to shift either the original 3 or 4 speed, nor the T-5.
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By butchbov - 14 Years Ago
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I'm running a 93 S10 wc T5 behind the flatty in my 49 Ford. Before that I ran a 88 nwc T5 & let me tell you, there's a WORLD of difference in how they shift. The wc is well worth the effort of getting IMHO.
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By BFOOTER03 - 14 Years Ago
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Outlaw56 (4/15/2011)
I am also considering using a mustang T-5 on my 1956 Ford F-100 with the 292 Y-block. I presently have two bell truck bell housings with flywheels and pressure plates running manual 3 and 4 speed transmissions. If I understand correctly, the kit John sells will work with these bell housings. Will the clutch and pressure plate work with this swap as well? Can an S-10 tail shaft simply replace the tail shaft on a mustang T-5 by just bolting up with no additional modifications?The only modification needed to make the swap from a Mustang tail to a S-10 tail is moving the location of the mechanical speedo gear. The Mustang is about 3 inches furthe down the shaft than the S-10. You will also need to swap the cover of the gear box and the saft that connects the shifter and the forks is longer on the Mustang than the S-10. Other than that the swap is pretty simple. I can say drilling the hole to relocat the speedo is a pain as the shaft is build Ford TOUGH. I can send you pictures from my tail swap if needed.
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