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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Advice on this oil leak guys.. I fixed the valley pan leak and now I have this leak to deal with, just not sure of where/ what it might be .. Im saying rear main but behind the inspection cover the ring gear / converter is quite dry. The leak seems about half way up the block [both sides as you can see] and between the trans. the oil pump seems dry too.. all runs down and wet at the bottom , the leak is quite bad, will start dripping on the ground after a short run.
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By The Master Cylinder - 14 Years Ago
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Do you have any pictures of the top of the engine?
Suggestions; Valve cover(s), distributor, missing bolts in spare bolt holes in heads (intake surface), cam plug (behind flexplate) oil galley plugs (behind flexplate), rear main... you already mentioned the valley pan. Could it be blowing back from the oil filter area? Probably others, can't think. Haven't had my coffee yet.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 14 Years Ago
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You can pretty much rule out the valley pan, it would not produce a steady drip while running, there just isn't that much liquid oil in that area. This suggest a pressure leak, in the areas mentioned by Master Cylinder. Now for an unfunny thought. I have seen leakage of the head gaskets that oiled the sides of the block. Improperly torqued heads, or mixed up head bolts can allow this, especially with shim gaskets. The only oil to the heads are the rocker passages, and pinching off the overflow tubes increases the pressure in those passages. With the shim gaskets, paths are available to allow this oil to migrate to the bottom edges of the heads. Hope I'm wrong with this diagnosis.
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By Pete 55Tbird - 14 Years Ago
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If all else fails to locate your oil leak you can buy a " blacklight" and put a fluorescent yellow/green dye in the oil and pin point the source of your leak. Pete
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By lovefordgalaxie - 14 Years Ago
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Is the block, behind the heads dry? Take a look on the engine from above, to see if the distributor area is dry.
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Valley pan , bolt holes, dissy gasket, all the top stuff is sealed now, nothing fresh from the head or back of head area, or spin on filter. If you look at the pics this happened after a light run in traffic about half hour - 40 mins running, I degreased before I went so its as you see it, just above the oil pump level and on both sides is where is starts. Only a week ago I had the inspection plate[s] off there was oil at the bottom [as you can imagine] but the "drive/ flex plate" was not wet, I tighten the bolts on it as some where loose. AGHhh!! The oil pump doesn't have a seal that sits up in the block ??
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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Do you have the gasket between the block and the oil pump?
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By oldcarmark - 14 Years Ago
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Dissy gasket? No seal or gasket is used.Dist is installed metal to metal.
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By lovefordgalaxie - 14 Years Ago
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My distributor has a rubber o ring that seals it, but I never had a leak there. By the simptoms looks like the oil is comming from behing the flexplate.
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Its only a fine gasket, And even when I had the other dissy with the O ring there was one on it . The new [Cardone re-co] came with it, thought they all had one.. Im sure there was one in my rebuild gasket kit too..? I have had my fingers all round that area and with a mirror too, not leaking around there and more.
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By Dave V - 14 Years Ago
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Have you figured out your oil leak yet? I seem to have the same problem and can't see where it is coming from either. Dave
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By 46yblock - 14 Years Ago
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Hoosier Hurricane (5/15/2011) You can pretty much rule out the valley pan, it would not produce a steady drip while running, there just isn't that much liquid oil in that area. This suggest a pressure leak, in the areas mentioned by Master Cylinder. Now for an unfunny thought. I have seen leakage of the head gaskets that oiled the sides of the block. Improperly torqued heads, or mixed up head bolts can allow this, especially with shim gaskets. The only oil to the heads are the rocker passages, and pinching off the overflow tubes increases the pressure in those passages. With the shim gaskets, paths are available to allow this oil to migrate to the bottom edges of the heads. Hope I'm wrong with this diagnosis.I have an engine on a test stand that does this. After installing some heads that had been rebuilt, and shim gaskets, oil leaked at the bottom edge on one side. The head on the leaking side hadnt been surfaced. After milling the one head and reinstalling, the leak didnt change. So it will either require CR dropping comp gaskets, or block decking. The head bolts are at 72 and in order. The oil appears mostly between #6 and 7 cylinders. Part of it drains down the side of block and drops off the top engine mount boss. Another part of it migrates backward along the head/deck seam and comes down in the area of the oil pump.
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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At this stage, after having another look I believe it to be a rear main seal. The ringgear/ converter is still not "wet" however when looking right up at the back of the crank it does look wet[ish] not dripping.. So in the near future I will replace and fingers crossed it will fix....
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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There's a "freeze plug" at the back of the Cam bore, above the rear main seal. These can also leak and will appear to be a rear main seal.
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By Pete 55Tbird - 14 Years Ago
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Before you pull the engine to replace the rear seal get some dye and a blacklite and find out for sure where the leak is located. It might be a lot of other places. Pete
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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I am aware of that cam plug... hoping its not it, its unlikely the motor has never been out of the car, I would think if those cam plugs leak they would do it from the start.. ?? I wont be taking the motor out to do the rear main. It will be a job for Sneaky Pete! 
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By Big6ft6 - 14 Years Ago
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I can't even recognize anything in those pictures.....it is way too clean.
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By Big6ft6 - 14 Years Ago
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I think I have an oil leak too, can anyone tell where it is coming from (sorry couldn't resist!) 
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By 55vickey - 14 Years Ago
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That looks like good rust prevention around salt happy Madtown Nate
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By Big6ft6 - 14 Years Ago
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55vickey (6/5/2011) That looks like good rust prevention around salt happy Madtown NateYep, I have no plans on touching it! I can't imagine the time and skill it took those of you who have these awesome clean restored cars to get them that way. I have a TON of respect for when I see such a clean car like TalkWrench's. I was bleeing the brakes yesterday and the rust holes in the floorboard (where there clearly wasn't enough grease undercoating!) came in handy because the holes in the floor lined up just perfectly for me to be able to see my bleeder bottle to watch for bubbles while I was sitting inside the car!!
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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NOW THATS FUNNY
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By rgrove - 14 Years Ago
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Big6ft6 (6/4/2011)
I think I have an oil leak too, can anyone tell where it is coming from  (sorry couldn't resist!) 
I hearby retract my offer to come help work on your car....
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Well after fitting the new rear main seal seems its a failure ; o ( sure I did nothing wrong... Bugger!!! Doh!! could it really be the cam plug .....
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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Are you dealing with a 292 or a 312? There are two different neoprene seals involved here and if the wrong one is being used for the application, the rear main seal will leak.
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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292 ,Ted I see no evidence of it being a 312 [not sure if that would be likely in a town sedan?] The seals seemed to fit well. They came out of a Felpro kit FS7999 PT -3. On the seal packet is P6141-1 there is nothing marked on the packet that held the side plugs..? Surely it would be obvious if they were 312 seals, or is there very little in it??
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By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
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Talkwrench (7/16/2011)
292 ,Ted I see no evidence of it being a 312 [not sure if that would be likely in a town sedan?] The seals seemed to fit well. They came out of a Felpro kit FS7999 PT -3. On the seal packet is P6141-1 there is nothing marked on the packet that held the side plugs..? Surely it would be obvious if they were 312 seals, or is there very little in it?? Ted is referring that using a smaller 272 seal on the larger 312 crank then there would be a problem. I believe you have 272/292 and that felpro seal is correct, ted will correct me on anything ive missed or out on. My personal thoughts are that replacing a rope seal while in the car with neoprene seal is more likely to have problems, as removing all traces of old seal from block groove would be near impossible and i allways check if seal half in block sits flush with block as i,ve come across some early blocks with shallow depth groove that distorts seal when cap is snugged down hence going oval and oil leaks follow. Just my view on general points. I have renewed neoprene seals previously fitted in block and is easy.
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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Ditto on what Bill said. I was referring to using the 292 seal on a 312 crankshaft. Just insure that your main caps have EBU on them and not ECZ.
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By The Master Cylinder - 14 Years Ago
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Pete 55Tbird (5/28/2011) Before you pull the engine to replace the rear seal get some dye and a blacklite and find out for sure where the leak is located. It might be a lot of other places. Pete
I think your next step should be what Pete suggested in his post. here's one available a NAPA. https://napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?A=NTE784733_0282517238&An=0 Not cheap but may save you Heartburn and time...
For more info; http://www.tracerline.com/products.html
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Thanks guys, I knew what you ment Ted, my answer was when fitting the seals it must be obvious that they stick out too far. But I dont know how much bigger 312 seals are? I have looked in the past for ECZ on the caps and saw nothing. Im damn sure I had it all spotless when doing it. I use contact cleaner to blast away oil and small bits as well as blowing it with compressed air. I'll be honest and say the only thing I did do that was different Ted was I sat the seals flush with the block and cap. I know that they sat just slightly proud [as it should, a bees dick as we would say.. ok maybe a little more ]. I did think about this, I would have much prefered to do it your way BUT I had no way of gaurenteeing that the ends sticking out would slide into where they should when putting the cap on. On and engine stand guess its easier to check that stuff. Im still confident I did everthing correctly it should have worked... I know where the oil is coming from Its still the same.. It comes from between the motor and trans and starts halfway up [possibly a little higher] and its there on both sides Because its the same as it was Im thinking it now must be something else..
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By PF Arcand - 14 Years Ago
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T.W: Does your engine have the plug wire loom brkts at the rear of the block? It was posted here some time back, that if they aren't there, (mine aren't) one of the bolts goes into the valley & if missing, it will leak.
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By Talkwrench - 14 Years Ago
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Ive checked all those initially, all in all ok ...
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