By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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I've measured the lobe center on this cam several times and it comes out at 107deg instead of the 112deg it shows in the specs. Does this mean I have to advance the cam 4 degrees to get it right or what? Chuck in NH
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By Richard Head - 14 Years Ago
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Just guessing but it sounds to me like you have the wrong cam or specs?? Not sure where your getting the 4 degrees either?
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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The cam was supposed to have a 112deg lobe center. Since I run a McCulloch it was recommended that I try 4deg advance for initial setup. Someone else mentioned getting the having the same problem with lobe center on the RPM300. I just wondered if it affected the amount of advance. Chuck
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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Chuck, I'd be callin Isky or ask Ted if that's where you got it. The amount of advance or retarding of the cam has no effect on the lobe centers. Both lobes move at the same time when you advance/retard the cam. The 112 degrees would probably work better in a blown motor than 107. Less overlap equals better cylinder filling in a blown motor.
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By Oldmics - 14 Years Ago
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How did you measure it? Oldmics
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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Degree wheel and micrometer. Measured it many times and it came out the same. Tried it a 50degrees and 20 degrees (thats whats on the cam card). Same results. I bought the cam from Glen. Its new in the box. Chuck
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By mctim64 - 14 Years Ago
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If the card says 112 and you get 107 you want to retard 5*. That is if you want it to be as the card reads. Now remember if it is ground on 112* lobe centers and you have 107* on the intake that means your exhaust will be @ 117*. I'm not sure of the way you are checking it but maybe this video will help. You know I like the YouTube.  bla bla bla
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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Tim, Thats exactly the way I'm doing it but with a few more cylinders. It seems the RPM300 has an error on the cam card. Ted recommended 4 deg advance on the cam for my engine. Is that affected by the change in lobe center or should I still do 4 degrees? Chuck
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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Chuck, We may be (I may) confusing the termanology here. Lobe Centers are the difference between the intake and exhaust points of maximum lift. In crankshaft degrees. That is ground into the cam and cannot be changed except by regrinding the cam. If you are checking the difference between those points on your cam, it should work out to 112 degrees. If you are looking for a lobe centerline, that's the relationship to the crank of a particular lobe. Usually intake. That can be changed with offset keys or an adjustable pulley. If that's what you're trying to do, then do exactly what Tim and Ted are telling you. I'll shut up now before I confuse the issue further.
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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Let me ask it this way, If the Lobe Centerline is reading 107deg. with the crank advanced 4deg. is the Centerline 111deg? This is from the cam card. LOBE CENTER: | 112 deg. | OVERLAP: | 46 deg. | CAM ADVANCE: | 0 deg. |
THE ABOVE TIMING IS CHECKED AT | .020 | (OPEN) LIFTER RISE | | .020 | (CLOSE) |
My impression is that the 112 deg. represents the centerline and thats what I've been having problems with. My reading are 60 and 154 or 214=107Deg. I guess my question is will this cam be ok to run on my 292 with blower? I really don't have the time or funds to get another one before Columbus. Chuck
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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Chuck. I believe you’re talking ‘intake lobe centerline’ and not ‘ground centerline’. Terminology is important at this point. If your camshaft is measuring as being installed at 107° intake lobe centerline, then the exhaust is expected to measure out at 117° exhaust lobe centerline. If the camshaft indeed checks out like this, then it is ground on 112° lobe centers. 107° + 117° / 2 = 112°. As both Tim and Frank bring up, the ground lobe centerline does not change when moving the camshaft around but the intake and exhaust lobe centerlines in relation to TDC do change. As the camshaft advances, the intake lobe centerline value becomes smaller while the exhaust lobe centerline value gets larger. Be sure to check the exhaust lobe centerline also and when adding both the intake and exhaust centerline values and dividing by two, you are expected to get the advertised lobe centerline value. Variances in the cam key location, cam gear keyway location, crank key location on the crankshaft, and the keyway location in the crank gear area are all players with where a camshaft initially sets up in an engine. When all these variances stack up in the same direction, then the amount of error can be compounded. When these variances have pluses and minuses, these variances will tend to cancel each other out. As I mentioned earlier, be sure to double check the camshaft location by checking the lobes on the #6 cylinder. If there is a large discrepancy, then start doing some rechecking. If the cam still comes in at 5° advance, then backing it up 2-3° would be dirsirable but is not a show stopper if you can't get there from here. If you don't have a multi-keywayed crank gear, then an option is an offset key but I'm not too much in favor of those for the Y simply due to the thickness of key itself being compromised.
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By mctim64 - 14 Years Ago
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If you purposely advanced it 4* then you should be around 107* on the intake, did you check the exhaust center line? Set the way you have it would be good for the low end but it is my impression that with a blown motor you can close the intake a little later since you are stuffing A/F into the engine anyway. most "Blower" cams that I have seen are ground on 112* -116* centers. If Ted told you to advance 4* I'd go with his recommendation, his experience trumps mine.
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By mctim64 - 14 Years Ago
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Looks like Ted was typing the same time I was. lol
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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Ted, why number 6? When I started with the advance at 0deg I was having a mental problem with how I did it. Now with the 4deg advance I was forgeting to allow for that. It seems that I have a 4-5deg advance which is apparently in the ball park. I did not compare the intake to exhaust centers. Should I? Chuck in NH
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By Ted - 14 Years Ago
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MoonShadow (8/1/2011) Ted, why number 6?The #6 cylinder shares the same TDC on the degree wheel as #1. Takes only five minutes or less to move the dial indicator from #1 cylinder to #6 cylinder and confirm that the cam lobes are the same.
MoonShadow (8/1/2011) When I started with the advance at 0deg I was having a mental problem with how I did it. Now with the 4deg advance I was forgeting to allow for that. It seems that I have a 4-5deg advance which is apparently in the ball park. I did not compare the intake to exhaust centers. Should I? Chuck in NH Always look at the exhaust lobe centerline as a double check. That number will confirm the ‘ground lobe centerline’ as well as give some confidence in your numbers for the intake lobe centerline. Checking cylinder #6 confirms your #1 cylinder numbers as well as giving some confidence that at least two of the cylinders are ground the same. If you want to really do some checking, check all the lobes. On some cam grinders out there, this is highly recommended. It takes only one lobe being off to drastically kill the overall performance of an engine.
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By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
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Thanks everyone! I think I've got it. I'll double check everything on #6 tommorrow just to make sure. I think I'll even try the intake/exhaust lobe center check just to see If I really have it. Thanks for all the advice thats what makes this site the best on the web for Y's Guys!
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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I guess my question is will this cam be ok to run on my 292 with blower? I really don't have the time or funds to get another one before Columbus. Chuck Chuck, in a word yes. do the intake Centerline @ 107. this should be approx 5 degrees advanced which will help the low end. You'll be good with that I think. Like Tim said the 112 degree lobe centers should work pretty well with your 292. Just make SURE you have enough Fuel and fuel pressure.
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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Set the way you have it would be good for the low end but it is my impression that with a blown motor you can close the intake a little later since you are stuffing A/F into the engine anyway. most "Blower" cams that I have seen are ground on 112* -116* centers. If Ted told you to advance 4* I'd go with his recommendation, his experience trumps mine.  Tim, I think you want to close the intake a little early to avoid blowing Fresh mixture out the exhaust pipe. I'm thinking (careful now!) the blower will take care of his midrange/top end issue, while the advanced cam timing will help him move a fairly heavy car out of the hole. You are 100% correct on the 112 to 116 center with blower. That was hard for me to believe at first, I am used to much more overlap, but it works. By the way, Jake is Friggin awesome! wish I could have found your house now!
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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On some cam grinders out there, this is highly recommended. It takes only one lobe being off to drastically kill the overall performance of an engine. Comp?
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By mctim64 - 14 Years Ago
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pegleg (8/1/2011) Tim, I think you want to close the intake a little early to avoid blowing Fresh mixture out the exhaust pipe. I'm thinking (careful now!) the blower will take care of his midrange/top end issue, while the advanced cam timing will help him move a fairly heavy car out of the hole.Aren't you talking about closing the exhaust a little early, as in less overlap. Intake will be closing ABDC weather it's 50* or 54* the exhaust has long since closed. Jake looks a lot better now than back in Jan. You're welcome any time. 
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By pegleg - 14 Years Ago
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Yup, You're right. But you also don't need a lot of duration on the intake side. Dual pattern cams with wide lobe seperation and more exhaust than intake duration.
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