y-block balancers and blower manifolds


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By Y-Block Stan - 14 Years Ago
O.K. First don't hate me or throw me off the site. I want to ask if anybody has tried to adapt any other balancers to the y. I did some research and diamension wise  a, ( I know I am gonna hate myself for this) small block scrub crank snout Is very close to a Y. Being everybody scared me in columbus with my 55yr. old dampener I want to get it off but funds are low. I know a lot of guys that run scrubs and I can come up a ati or fluidampr pretty cheap and both have removable hubs which I can machine.Any input for you guys is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stan     P.S. How about a 4-71 blower manifold for a Y? Or do I have to build one?                                                                                                                
By speedpro56 - 14 Years Ago
That's  already being done Stan. Teds the man with the plan on converting dampers.BigGrin
By MarkMontereyBay - 14 Years Ago
Jerry Christensen wrote an article for Y block Magazine several or more years ago detailing how to adapt a scrub Fluidamper to the Y block crank. There are probably some here who have some more info as from what I understand, Christensen doesn't do computers.
By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
Cragar made a 471 manifold for the Y but they are super rare. The last two I saw on EPAY went for over $4000! There is some work on converting a dual four to blower but its not an easy fix.

As far as the damper it has and can be done. Problem is realinging the pullies to the non Y damper. I'm sure it can be done by adapting aftermarket pullies. I would love to see your rig with a stroker engine and 471. Chuck

By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
Y-Block Stan (9/10/2011)
O.K. First don't hate me or throw me off the site. I want to ask if anybody has tried to adapt any other balancers to the y. I did some research and diamension wise  a, ( I know I am gonna hate myself for this) small block scrub crank snout Is very close to a Y. Being everybody scared me in columbus with my 55yr. old dampener I want to get it off but funds are low. I know a lot of guys that run scrubs and I can come up a ati or fluidampr pretty cheap and both have removable hubs which I can machine.Any input for you guys is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Stan     P.S. How about a 4-71 blower manifold for a Y? Or do I have to build one? 

                                                                                                               

Stan others have pointed out the damper answer, ted has it sorted out. yes the cragar blower intakes are rare and myself and scotty have one. They are easy to make, i got offy tripower intake and milled top off and screwed plate to top, welded inside rectangular opening, same size as blower gasket then machined it flat.  will post pic tommorrow.Tongue

By DANIEL TINDER - 14 Years Ago
[quote][b]MoonShadow (9/10/2011) converting a dual four to blower...



I'm recalling a 60s car mag. photo spread on a black Paxton-supercharged 312 '56 T-Bird with a homemade dual quad blower box. Could never find that magazine again and would love to get it back (it had a '55 rear bumper, Cragar mags, no portholes & radiused wheel wells).
By Glen Henderson - 14 Years Ago
Stan, Ted has the Dampers West dampers for a Y block, nice piece. But if you want to adapt the scrub damper it is pretty easy. Just hone it to fit the y crank and machine a spacer to take up the slack. You can cut the spacer from a old Y damper, of course you will have to remark the scrub damper for TDC. Ted used a sbc intake on Randys dragster engine, I think he has an artical on his web site detailing the install.
By Ted - 14 Years Ago

Although ATI does make a Y specific SFI approved damper, the pricing on that particular damper got way out of hand.  As a result, Innovators West now offers a SFI approved damper specific to the Y engines at about half the price of the ATI unit.  While the ATI damper uses the three bolt scrub pulley pattern, the IW damper uses the SBF four bolt pulley pattern.  Both of these dampers still have the belt pulley sitting ~1/2” further forward than the factory damper which necessitates relocating any accessory drives that are belt driven (water pump, alternator, etc.) off of the damper.  Here’s the links to some past threads regarding aftermarket dampers.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic38818.aspx

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com//Topic35766.aspx

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic19528.aspx

But back to the retrofitting a scrub damper.  If the damper hole is honed just a few thousandts, then it fits the Y crankshaft.  Be sure to use honing equipment that accommodates holes with slots.   The next issue to take care of is the keyway size.  Easiest fix is to simply narrow the ¼” Y key so it’s 3/16” at its top so the scrub damper can slide over it.  Another option is to re-broach the damper itself so the 3/16” slot becomes ¼”.  Either process will require a new timing pointer or new timing  marks on the damper itself.  Another option is to make a new or fresh keyway slot in the damper so the TDC on the damper aligns with the Y timing tab.  Here’s a link showing the number of degrees to get the TDC mark aligned. And also add that a spacer must be fabricated that sandwiches itself between the damper and the crankshaft gear due to the shortness of the scrub damper.

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic21475.aspx
 

By Ted - 14 Years Ago

Here are pictures of a Fenton 2X4 intake that’s been modified to accommodate a Roots style of blower.  This is Chuck’s engine which is going to be broken in using this blower setup before switching it over to a blow through centrifugal blower setup.

 

 

 

By Glen Henderson - 14 Years Ago
WOW!! I am liking that setup Ted, I would have a hard time removing it in favor of the blow thru system.
By aussiebill - 14 Years Ago
                                                                                                               Stan others have pointed out the damper answer, ted has it sorted out. yes the cragar blower intakes are rare and myself and scotty have one. They are easy to make, i got offy tripower intake and milled top off and screwed plate to top, welded inside rectangular opening, same size as blower gasket then machined it flat.  will post pic tommorrow.Tongue[/quote]

I just used offy tripower as they are more common, ports are small but can be opened up, as its only a street setup is ok. May just give you idea between teds and mine to get started. regards bill.Smile

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By Y-Block Stan - 14 Years Ago
A thousand thank you's to all that posted. Ted and Bill thanks for the pics thats a great help. Well I guess we will see how much time I have this winter and how clever I can be.
By Y-Block Stan - 14 Years Ago
Hey Bill old buddy, How's about I send you my address and you send me your manifold and I'll  make sure It will fit on y-blocks up north?BigGrin
By MoonShadow - 14 Years Ago
Geez Ted how can I get rid of Randy so I can have his blower? That really looks great and would look better under the hood of the 28 roadster. I'll trade a complete McCullouch for it. BigGrin

Chuck

By Glen Henderson - 14 Years Ago
Chuck, you most likely can sell the Mac for enough to buy a new one of them. I really like the way that looks and you are right it would look good in that Mopar or a certain Falcon that I know of!
By Y block Billy - 14 Years Ago
I believe Karol Miller used a Latham supercharger on the beach in Daytona, but those must be even scarcer than the cragars.