Carburetor Adaptor plate 239 OHV


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By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
I have a 239cid OHV Y block and I want to put my 2bbl Holley in place of the original 2bbl bottle neck.  I don't know exactly what size they both are, here's a picture of the one I want on this motor in the end.

I have the intake for that carburetor but it was from the 272 Y block and I noticed that that intake is different than the one from the 239.  So I am looking for an adaptor plate to go from the 3 stud bottle neck carb. to the 4 stud Holley.  I have spent a couple hours looking for one but I have been unsucessful.  Does anyone know if someone makes one.

I should also ask would it be fine running the 239 with the Holley?

Thank You.

By SkylinerRon - 13 Years Ago
Have not seen one of those in decades. Why not just get a 57-62 2bl intake manifold and bolt it on?  Have you noticed the linkage is on different sides on these carbs?

Goodluck,

Ron.

By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
Looks like you can do it with a combination of the "late carburetor adapter" and "Holley 2 barrel carburetor adapter."



http://www.speedwaymotors.com/search-carburetor-adapter.html



The newer intake will have larger ports and make it difficult to keep the intake sealed.
By Hoosier Hurricane - 13 Years Ago
I adapted a late 2 barrel to my flathead 3 bolt manifold.  Here in the midwest the lack of manifold heat transfer to the carb base caused me no end of aggravation in cool and cold weather.  I didn't see any gains anyway, the manifold was as big a restriction to air flow as the original carb.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
SkylinerRon (1/22/2012)
Have not seen one of those in decades. Why not just get a 57-62 2bl intake manifold and bolt it on? Have you noticed the linkage is on different sides on these carbs?

Goodluck,

Ron.

I have the intake for the carb. pictured above the problem I seen with it was that the intake ports are 1/8" inch bigger on the intake than on the heads.  With that intake I could bolt up my original linkages but I just thought there would be a problem the ports being so different in size.  I did notice that the linkage mounts are on opposite sides of the intake as that of the Holley 2bl.  Thanks

charliemccraney (1/22/2012)
Looks like you can do it with a combination of the "late carburetor adapter" and "Holley 2 barrel carburetor adapter."

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/search-carburetor-adapter.html

The newer intake will have larger ports and make it difficult to keep the intake sealed.

I will check that link out.  I did notice the difference in the size and that is why I stuck with the original 239 intake instead of my 272 intake for the 2 bl Holley.  If nothing else I might have to live with the stock 239 2bl.  I just wanted to put the 2bl Holley on because it has already been rebuilt and I have a new chrome Holley air cleaner to go on it.  Plus the 239 carb hasn't been rebuilt yet.  Thanks

Hoosier Hurricane (1/22/2012)
I adapted a late 2 barrel to my flathead 3 bolt manifold.  Here in the midwest the lack of manifold heat transfer to the carb base caused me no end of aggravation in cool and cold weather.  I didn't see any gains anyway, the manifold was as big a restriction to air flow as the original carb.

To be honest I am not really looking for the performance end of my truck.  I will be driving this truck so slow and easy it will be remarkable a person could drive so slow Hahaha (this is probably the only time you will hear that from a 22 year old Wink ).  I actually down graded the truck from a 272 to the 239 but not on purpose, but to me it won't matter anyways.

That is still nice to know though that it won't make much of a difference.  I just thought I could save some money by not having to get the 2 bl bottle neck carb rebuilt but if I have to get new linkages anyways I might just have the bottle neck rebuilt if it makes linkaging a little easier.  Thanks

By ALL AMERICAN RACER - 13 Years Ago
custom cab

if intake is 1/8" bigger than ports that'll work.

you can use mopar style throttle cable to

hook up throttle.

carb will work fine, long as you're in the ballpark.

DON'T toss original intake & carb, put it on shelf.



Have A Nice Day!
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
ALL AMERICAN RACER (1/22/2012)
custom cab
if intake is 1/8" bigger than ports that'll work.
you can use mopar style throttle cable to
hook up throttle.
carb will work fine, long as you're in the ballpark.
DON'T toss original intake & carb, put it on shelf.

Have A Nice Day!

I will never throw any parts I have duplicates and triplicates of so many parts and I will even have a hard time selling those much less throwing them away. I guess I will have to look at if which gasket will work best 239 or 272. The only thing is I guess I already have the 239 intake already painted.

So I take it that there is not an adaptor out on the market that will work. If so I might actually see if I can CNC machine one at my work. I can also model it up with the 3D CAD software to see what it will look like. That way I might actually be able to reuse my original linkaging. But I might still have to think of something to do to bolt it to and manifold. I will have to do some research or decision making yet.

By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
F-100CustomCabtbc (1/23/2012)So I take it that there is not an adaptor out on the market that will work.




Have you checked on the ones I linked?



A custom adapter will work, too but I don't think the adapter alone will solve linkage issues. If you were to turn the new 2 barrel around to get the new linkage on the correct side, I do believe that the linkage will now have to push it open rather than pull. I'd just leave the new 2v in it's standard orientation and make new linkage to hook it up.



I'm really surprised there is not a specific adapter for this. There seems to be for just about everything else, other 2 barrels, 1 barrels.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Here are a few pictures.  The carb. is the one for the 239 intake (the one that I want to eliminate).  And the intake is the 239 intake that is on my motor right now.

  

charliemccraney (1/24/2012)
Have you checked on the ones I linked?...

I tried your link and I didn't see an adaptor that looked like what I am looking for.

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Ok I just found this thread in a search and was wondering what the relationship is between the 3 bolt carb and the distributor.  I knew that the distributor is different in this engine I think there is like 13 teeth where the 272 had 14 teeth something like that but.  What would be the issue with going away from the 3 bolt carb. anyone?  Thanks

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic18648-3-1.aspx?Highlight=fuel+pump+239

By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
There is not an adapter. But it looks like you can achieve your goal with two,



http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Late-Carburetor-Adapter,808.html



with



http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Holley-2-BBL-Carburetor-Adapter,68.html



on top.



The new carb will not provide the correct signal to the distributor so you will also need to swap to a '57 and up distributor.
By topkat54 - 13 Years Ago
Yes you will have a problem with the distributor. The carb and distributor work together for advance. If you check there is probably a vacuum line running from the back of the carb to the distributor. The setup is called a Ford Lodomatic.This problem can be solved by going to a later model distributor and installing a oil pump from a 272. You'll have to change the drive gear from the 239 distributor to the new distributor also. I think all of this has been covered on this forum, so do a search on that. Your best bet would be to rebuild the 239 carb. It looks like it is a Holley 94. It's a simple carb, easy to rebuild by yourself. Speedway Motors sells a kit for it. They also sell air cleaners that you can modify to use your chome cleaner. Another place to check for 94 carb parts would be Charlie Price Vintage Speed. I hope this helps.

  Good luck!

  Topkat54

By paul2748 - 13 Years Ago
If you are going to use the 2300 carb, you will have to change the distributor. The original carb worked pretty good with the original carb but the 239 distributor will not work well with the 2300 because of the difference in the vacuum operation.



The early 239's had different number of teeth on the drive end than the 272 and later distributors. They also had a different oil pump drive. If you use a later distributor, you will have to change the gear to the 239 one and the oil pump to a 55 or later pump.



I don't know if the 55 239's had the 54 style pump drive and the different drive gear.



The issue with the later carb is the distributor as mentioned above.

















F-100CustomCabtbc (1/24/2012)
Ok I just found this thread in a search and was wondering what the relationship is between the 3 bolt carb and the distributor. I knew that the distributor is different in this engine I think there is like 13 teeth where the 272 had 14 teeth something like that but. What would be the issue with going away from the 3 bolt carb. anyone? Thanks



http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic18648-3-1.aspx?Highlight=fuel+pump+239
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
charliemccraney (1/24/2012)


...The new carb will not provide the correct signal to the distributor so you will also need to swap to a '57 and up distributor.

topkat54 (1/25/2012)
Yes you will have a problem with the distributor. The carb and distributor work together for advance. If you check there is probably a vacuum line running from the back of the carb to the distributor. The setup is called a Ford Lodomatic.This problem can be solved by going to a later model distributor and installing a oil pump from a 272. You'll have to change the drive gear from the 239 distributor to the new distributor also. I think all of this has been covered on this forum, so do a search on that. Your best bet would be to rebuild the 239 carb. It looks like it is a Holley 94. It's a simple carb, easy to rebuild by yourself. Speedway Motors sells a kit for it. They also sell air cleaners that you can modify to use your chome cleaner. Another place to check for 94 carb parts would be Charlie Price Vintage Speed. I hope this helps.

Good luck!

Topkat54

paul2748 (1/25/2012)
If you are going to use the 2300 carb, you will have to change the distributor. The original carb worked pretty good with the original carb but the 239 distributor will not work well with the 2300 because of the difference in the vacuum operation.

The early 239's had different number of teeth on the drive end than the 272 and later distributors. They also had a different oil pump drive. If you use a later distributor, you will have to change the gear to the 239 one and the oil pump to a 55 or later pump.

I don't know if the 55 239's had the 54 style pump drive and the different drive gear...

OK thanks you guys.  I after I read that I was wondering if there was supposed to be a vacuum line tying the two together.  I wasn't sure though, I don't think I have any original pictures of the motor before I tore it apart but I do remember that there is infact a vacuum line still on the distributor.  I think at one point I did look at changing out the drive gear on the end of the distributor, but I think it was more so I could reuse the one from my 272.  Because that one has all new points, rotor, cap, wires, ect.  Well if there is that big of a run around all to get the Holley on it I might as well go to the original.  That way all I have to do now is link up the throttle instead of redoing everything.

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
I was also thinking about the distributor gear and the oil pump changes and thought wouldn't that also mean that the cam will also have to be replaced?  Which just makes the carburetor change all the more impractical for me.

While we are on the subject of fuel delivery.  Does anyone know if there is typically a problem with the switching of the timing chain covers?

Because I have the cover to my old 272 (the one for the trucks) on this 239.  Everything bolted up just fine but I thought at one point a while back I heard about there being a problem with the fuel pump?  My new pump went in just fine but I think I heard someone say that the pump gets worn out prematurely because of the arm being overextended?  Does anyone know for sure.

Thanks,

By topkat54 - 13 Years Ago
I don't know why you would have to change the cam unless for better performance with a bigger 4 bl carb? 

I've never had that problem with a fuel pump. Installing one can be hard if you don't get the arm engaged with the eccentric just right.

As far as the timing cover goes, a lot of the y block parts are interchangable. It sounds like that is one.

topkat54

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
topkat54 (1/27/2012)
I don't know why you would have to change the cam unless for better performance with a bigger 4 bl carb? 

I've never had that problem with a fuel pump. Installing one can be hard if you don't get the arm engaged with the eccentric just right.

As far as the timing cover goes, a lot of the y block parts are interchangable. It sounds like that is one.

topkat54

The way I think of it is if you were to change the gear on the end of the distributor from 13 (239) teeth to 14 (272) teeth, that would also change the gear ratio on the end of the cam?

I was thinking on the fuel pump more and was thinking that the only thing that I could think of as being the problem is the cap that bolts to the end of the cam (the cap that pumps the arm of the fuel pump).  I was thinking that if there is indeed a problem with the fuel pump that maybe those caps are different diameters from the 239 fuel pump to the 272 fuel pump (239 fuel pump the glass bowl is on top with the sraight arm going upwards, and the 272's glass bowl is on the bottom and the arm goes upwards but has a slight bend in it).  I was thinking maybe those cap are different diameters, 239's is probably bigger?

Does anyone have any idea?  Thanks

By Hoosier Hurricane - 13 Years Ago
All the fuel pump eccentrics for Y blocks are the same.  The distributor gear needs to be the original to the engine to match the gear on the cam.  If you are taking out a 13 tooth distributor, the 13 tooth gear needs to go on the distributor you are going to use.  The ratio between the cam and distributor gear is 1:1.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Hoosier Hurricane (1/29/2012)
All the fuel pump eccentrics for Y blocks are the same.  The distributor gear needs to be the original to the engine to match the gear on the cam.  If you are taking out a 13 tooth distributor, the 13 tooth gear needs to go on the distributor you are going to use.  The ratio between the cam and distributor gear is 1:1.

Ok they helps and makes more sense.  I guess I will assume that the fuel pump will be fine.  When I get to trying to start it for the first time I guess we will find out right.  I might even check it out before my truck is painted and put together to make sure.

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Ok so this last weekend I was sorting through and organizing my parts.  I got to looking at the carburetor and air cleaner and well I currently don't have an air cleaner that will fit the 2bbl bottle neck carb that originally goes with the 239.  Now my dad did point me to one of his old carburetors and air cleaners that he had for his '55 or '56.  The carb. looks to be the same carb. his has a different neck on it.  Mine is straight where his has a flare on it.  His originally had the oil bath air cleaner.  I could rebuild that carb and redo that cleaner but I was wondering about the filter inside the oil bath cleaner.  Can you replace it and how?  The only thing is I do think the oil bath cleaner is cool and everything but I don't know how much I really want it on my truck though.  I have a couple styles of air cleaners but none of them work with my original 239 carb.

I will get pictures up as soon as I can.

But I am begining to think if even if the air cleaner my be a problem I might go through the trouble of switching the distributor gear and put my other intake on.  Because if by doing that will make linking throttle, air cleaner, carb choice, ect easier to accomplish I might actually go through with that option.  Because to be honest it wouldn't be to hard of a change.  I will have to repaint my other intake the yellow like my motor (right now it is Ford Blue).  That is just a minor set back though.

Any suggestions?

Thank you very much everyone!Wink 

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Here are a couple of pictures:

My carb. is the left one in all of the pictures the other one is my dads I'm sure he would even let me have both the carb and cleaner to put on my truck.  My carb would be easier to rebuild the other one is froze up I can't get the throttle to open.  And I was wondering do I need the sediment bulb on my carb like the one on my dads?  Because I don't have one.  Being I am missing so many pieces to this carb. plus other issues is only pushing me now to do the distributor gear swap and put my 2bbl Holley on this 239.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

By Hoosier Hurricane - 13 Years Ago
The tops should be interchangeable, so you can use your carb with the top from your Dad's carb to match the air filter.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Hi guys I have been busy with lot's of other things lately.  Sending out chrome parts, getting seat recovered, ect...

But I did clean up my other dist. a couple of weeks ago.  And tonight I was going to check what the other end of the oil pump shaft looked like (the end that goes in the pump).  I know the dist. end is slotted obviously.  But I was wondering about the other end to see if I have to buy a new pump if I am going to switch out the dist. gears.  But,  I can't get the shaft out from the top end of the motor, guessing that there is a shoulder somewhere.  I didn't pull the pump off yet.  I thought I would ask if anyone new what the other end of the 239 v8's oil pump shaft was (end in the pump).  I am guessing it is slotted like the top.

So the dist. I want to put in this 239 is from a 272 with a straight hex shaft.

I figure yea it will cost me another $100+ for another pump but I could save the money on rebuilding another carb, new air cleaner, dist cap, rotor, someone to make new carb. linkages, ect... Anyways by doing this I get the carb I want which is already linkaged and has an air cleaner.

Any help is appreciated!!

ThanksWink

By JoeBob - 13 Years Ago
F-100CustomCabtbc (4/24/2012)


But, I can't get the shaft out from the top end of the motor, guessing that there is a shoulder somewhere. I didn't pull the pump off yet. I thought I would ask if anyone new what the other end of the 239 v8's oil pump shaft was (end in the pump). I am guessing it is slotted like the top.




There is a retainer clip on the shaft to prevent it from coming out with the distributer. You will have to pull the pump to get the shaft out the bottom. If your shaft is slotted at the top it is slotted at the bottom also.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
JoeBob (4/24/2012)
There is a retainer clip on the shaft to prevent it from coming out with the distributer. You will have to pull the pump to get the shaft out the bottom. If your shaft is slotted at the top it is slotted at the bottom also.

That is what I figured so I will have to order a new pump.

By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Ok I have a challenge for you guys I got the new oil pump and the gears on the distributor swapped out.  But the question that I have is about how far up on the distributor shaft I should put the gear.

Because the old holes don't line up (239 gear on the 272 dist.).  So I have to drill a new hole through both but I want to make sure I have the gear is in the right spot before I drill the hole.  I also noticed that the hole on the 239 gear was closer to the gear teeth than the one on the 272 dist.  Which when attempting to line up the holes the 239 gear was further up the shaft than what it was on the 239 dist. (I measured that it was 1.043" from the end of the shaft when the holes are lined up.  I used a height gauge and caliper and such and figured that the 239 gear was about 1.0015" from the end of the 239 distributor.  And the 272 gear was about .966 from the end of the shaft.  I was maybe going to double check that dimension but instead from the base of the distributor where it seats on the outside of the engine block.  I just wanted to get someone elses take on this matter.

Is it really crucial on hitting a specific number or will it be okay just being in the ball park?  Because otherwise I think I might go for the 1.00" dimension.

By Ted - 13 Years Ago
F-100CustomCabtbc (6/8/2012)
.....Is it really crucial on hitting a specific number or will it be okay just being in the ball park?  Because otherwise I think I might go for the 1.00" dimension.
By the book, the measurement for reinstalling the distributor gear on the shaft is 4.991”-4.996”.  That measurement is from the bottom face of the gear to the bottom face of the distributor mounting pad.  The bottom face of the distributor mounting pad would be the part of the distributor that determines exactly where the distributor resides in the block.  If the gear sets too low on the shaft, then the distributor will seat too heavily in the block and abnormal wear in the block will take place as well as the chance of the gear roll pin shearing.
By F-100CustomCabtbc - 13 Years Ago
Ted (6/9/2012)
[quote]By the book, the measurement for reinstalling the distributor gear on the shaft is 4.991”-4.996”.  That measurement is from the bottom face of the gear to the bottom face of the distributor mounting pad...

Thank You Very Much!!Wink