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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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This 1960 f100 is all original and came with a 292 and auto trans that im not sure if its a fordomatic or cruiseomatic. Well the motor was junk so I picked up another y block that I believe to be a 292 aswell. I can get the numbers off it so maybe somebody here can run them for me? Along with the trans. Well I will be using the original trans that has this water cooler on the side. One of the water hoses goes up and over the bellhousing to a "t" and goes to both the right and left side of the motor block. Then the other water hose is very long and is not hooked up. Im not sure if it goes to the water pump? If so there are two places that can be used on it. Or maybe the intake? Where do my heater hoses hook up to? I have never had one of these transmissions with a cooer like this. Just the air cooled fordomatics. I will post some pictures. I hope somebody here can help me out. Im trying to get this truck out of my garage and back onto the street.
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Ok here are some pics for you guys: If you look at the picture on the left side of the crank pulley of the motor there is a big rubber hose. That is coming from the outer trans cooler fitting. 
In this pic you can see that the inner hose goes to the fitting that splits and ges to both sides of the block. The outer hose goes to the front of the motor and im not too sure of where it hooks up to. The radiator doesnt have a cooler on the bottom. This truck is all original. 
This picture is a hard line coming from a fitting right under the top bolt that bolts trans to bellhousing on passenger side 
What goes to the left and right fittings on the water pump? 
As you can see how long the hose is from the trans 
Im not sure if you can see it but there is a hard line coming up from the trans and its right behing the wire and it is bolted to the drivers side head. its not connected to anything up there. Is it a breather? or something else? It has like a weird fitting on it 
This is where the line is bolted to the head 
Here is the fitting. Kind of hard to see. 
Here is the tag on trans 
Here are the numbers on the case on drivers side where tag is located 
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Somebody must know something about this trans or is using the same set up.
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By MoonShadow - 13 Years Ago
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The tube you thought may be a breather is where the transmission dipstick goes. On the water pump the left outlet is normally for heater and the right one is where the power steering bracket mounts. It has a very large bolt to secure. If I understand you correctly you say the transmission is connected to the block cooling passages? I've never seen a trans cooler that ran through the engine they are usually seperate coolers or built in the bottom of the radiator. If it is using the engine to provide cooling perhaps the long rubber hose fits on the right side of the water pump. Is it long enough? It would be clearer after a good degreasing or steam cleaning. Chuck
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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No...I kow where the filler tube is. This hard line is definately not for that. Well im not running power steering.
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By Pete 55Tbird - 13 Years Ago
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OK. First, Please pressure wash that thing. The answer is going to be the same. You will need a stand alone transmission cooler since you do not want to get a radiator with a transmission cooler in the bottom. The cooler your Ford has is 50 years old and was marginal when new. The transmission fluid flows through the inside of that cooler while engine WATER flows in, around and out of the cooler. No they do not mix.
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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An old timer/friend came in and said it will work fine and to keep it. Im not towing or racing the thing. Just putting around town. He said the longer hose will hook up to water pump.
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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So nobody seems to know anything about this trans?
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By Pete 55Tbird - 13 Years Ago
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"So nobody seems to know anything about this trans?
Fomoco Low Life "Sorry, but what EXACTLY is your question?
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Well the thing is...this truck came stock with a water cooler/trans cooler on the trans. I am trying to locate somebody hear near my are in california to clean it out and test it. Also I was told the inner in or outlet on the cooler closest to the trans goes to the block of the motor and its quite obvious that it does. The outer water in or outlet has a long hose on it which goes to the front of the motor. I was told it goes to the water pump. If you are standing infront of the motor that it goes in the right side of the water pump where the power steering would hook up if I had it. Then either one of the hoses for the heater would go on the other side then the last heater hose would go in the port on the intake closest to the water pump. Correct?
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By Pete 55Tbird - 13 Years Ago
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OK You, do some homework. 1, Is the transmission aircooled only, watercooled only or both? 2, For now forget the cooler and run the heater hoses like any other Ford Yblock. 3, After you figure out the heater hose routing THEN ADD THE COOLER. It is non directional, water can flow either way and still cool the ATF INSIDE THE COOLER. 4, The right way is to get a radiator with a cooler or a stand alone AT cooler IN THE AIRSTREAM, but you already know that. 5, With that mickey-mouse cooler you have you won`t save anything.
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By rick55 - 13 Years Ago
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As Pete stated above, get rid of that rinky- dink cooler. It obviously wasn't a good idea cos noone uses them now. The killer with autos is heat. The unit you have is not to warm the trans up at startup it is to try and keep the oil temp down - that is why they call it a cooler.
It will be cheaper,easier, neater and better for the trans to fit a separate cooler mounted in front of the radiator.
It may seem like a performance modification but it also works. This is a situation where moving away from stock is a definite improvement.
Regards
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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I really wanted to keep this truck mostly stock..Ohwell I guess. Can somebody post a diagram on how to block all of this off and set up the new air cooled "inline" cooler? Also which one to buy and where from? Thanks
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Does anyone have this stock cooler on thier fordomatic? Can you possibly post a pic or let me know exactly where the inlet hose attaches on the water pump?
Also if anyone has changed it to an air style cooler can you post pictures of your set up?
Thanks
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By stuey - 13 Years Ago
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hi there i had a Fordo in my 56 pick'em up that had one of those  i changed it out for a c4 if i remember correctly it was teed into the pipes supplying the cab heater.one pipe came from the water pump and the other from the top of the inlet manifold . i have no way of knowing if that is the right way of doing it that's just the way i got the truck.  stuey England
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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stuey (3/6/2012)
hi there i had a Fordo in my 56 pick'em up that had one of thosei changed it out for a c4 if i remember correctly it was teed into the pipes supplying the cab heater.one pipe came from the water pump and the other from the top of the inlet manifold . i have no way of knowing if that is the right way of doing it that's just the way i got the truck. stuey England Well that hose definately goes to the water pump and another guy has told me the same.."If you are standing in front of the truck the threaded hole on the right side is where it goes" which would be where the power steering bolt goes. So does anyone have a picture of this? Maybe manual you can take a picture of I know they had this in 1955 too. I also would like to know what fitting to use. I couldnt quite tell by your pictures if it has hoses into the water pump. Also I dont understand why it would have a "T" for the heater.
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By stuey - 13 Years Ago
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hi it did not use the power steering bolt. facing the pump from the front just to the left of the "bypass" there is another pump connection usually it has a short curved metal pipe that a hose can push onto. i think that is cool water from the radiator. one hose went from that port to the heater. a second hose went from the other side of the heater to a port on the top of the inlet manifold, just in front of the thermostat, that is hot i think. in my case those two hoses were then cut and two "tee" pieces were inserted and connected to the trans cooler. i can't say if that is correct but that was the way it was when i got the truck. sorry about the quality of the pics i'm not too good with puters stuey
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Thanks stuey. I hope I get to the bottom of this today.
Can anyone tell me for sure and fact if that way is right or wrong?
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By Pete 55Tbird - 13 Years Ago
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OK WRONG, because your transmission B9x is a 1959, or later water-cooled FOM and came from the Ford factory with a radiator with an automatic transmission cooler built into the bottom of it. Really it did. The cooler you have is for an air-cooled FOM 1951 to 1956 on trucks. Your 1960 Ford did not have an air-cooled FOM. Check your FOM and see. Without the air cooling feature of the 1951 to 1956 FOM the cooler you have is TOTALLY INADEQUATE, and nothing is going to change that. Pete
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Pete 55Tbird (3/6/2012)
OK
WRONG, because your transmission B9x is a 1959, or later water-cooled FOM and came from the Ford factory with a radiator with an automatic transmission cooler built into the bottom of it. Really it did.
The cooler you have is for an air-cooled FOM 1951 to 1956 on trucks. Your 1960 Ford did not have an air-cooled FOM. Check your FOM and see.
Without the air cooling feature of the 1951 to 1956 FOM the cooler you have is TOTALLY INADEQUATE, and nothing is going to change that. Pete
So what you are saying is my truck isnt stock...and since I have an " air cooled" trans I have to keep that cooler correct? If so how does the cooler and heater properly hook up?
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By MoonShadow - 13 Years Ago
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If your transmission has fluid lines leading to the water cooler why don't you just get an add on cooler. They fit behind the radiator with the "special" cable ties included. You will have to make up some lines but thats not hard. Clean up the old one and put it on EBAY for the puritans. The new type coolers are much better and you don't have to plumb water lines to them. 
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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MoonShadow (3/6/2012)
If your transmission has fluid lines leading to the water cooler why don't you just get an add on cooler. They fit behind the radiator with the "special" cable ties included. You will have to make up some lines but thats not hard. Clean up the old one and put it on EBAY for the puritans. The new type coolers are much better and you don't have to plumb water lines to them.
Well I would like to keep the original cooler on it. For some reason some guys keep telling me the trans,radiator and cooler arent original for the truck. How is that so? Also they are saying mine is air cooled. How is it air cooled if it has trans fluid lines that go to the cooler?
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By rick55 - 13 Years Ago
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Your auto is not air cooled, though it is similar to the earlier trans. It is an evolution which allows better cooling of the trans similar to later FOM's. These later FOM's simply run lines to the radiator for the trans fluid to circulate through cooling tubes in the radiator lower tank. It is original to your pickup but was discontinued in later models which went the same way as the cars.
It is ultimately up to you what you do for trans cooling. I think you have had enough advice to figure out what is best for you.
Regards
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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rick55 (3/6/2012)
Your auto is not air cooled, though it is similar to the earlier trans. It is an evolution which allows better cooling of the trans similar to later FOM's. These later FOM's simply run lines to the radiator for the trans fluid to circulate through cooling tubes in the radiator lower tank. It is original to your pickup but was discontinued in later models which went the same way as the cars.
It is ultimately up to you what you do for trans cooling. I think you have had enough advice to figure out what is best for you.
Regards
Rick, I do want to keep the original set up for now just to get the truck moving around the house. Then I will purchase either a trans cooler or a new radiator with a built in cooler although some have told me not to use that type of radiator.
Either way....does anyone here have photos of this stock set up? I want to see exactly how it all hooks up.
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By stuey - 13 Years Ago
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hey Pete the penny just droped for me. all those years i drove the truck with the wrong setup. i had a plain steel converter (not the finned one) that little cooler on the side was just an auxillary cooler!!! i did say that was the way it came. once again this site and the help from those in the know pay dividends many thanks for opening my eyes. stuey
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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I too have a non finned converter on mine too. Anyone here for the afternoon crew?
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By marvh - 13 Years Ago
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The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.
The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.
The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles
marv
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By Y block Billy - 13 Years Ago
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Remember, coolers are not just coolers, transmissions were made to run at a certain temperature 180 + or -. thats why lines going to the radiator help to preheat the trans also, it is not a good idea to cool the fluid too much with aux coolers. so if you hook it up in series with your heater you should be fine. Water cooled/heated must be scarce, its a first for me.
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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marvh (3/7/2012)
The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.
The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.
The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles
marv
So what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual?
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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Y block Billy (3/7/2012)
Remember, coolers are not just coolers, transmissions were made to run at a certain temperature 180 + or -. thats why lines going to the radiator help to preheat the trans also, it is not a good idea to cool the fluid too much with aux coolers. so if you hook it up in series with your heater you should be fine. Water cooled/heated must be scarce, its a first for me.
would you by chance know how to hook all of this up?
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By marvh - 13 Years Ago
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56 ford custom (3/7/2012)
marvh (3/7/2012)
The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.
The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.
The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles
marvSo what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual?
Your transmission PBW-F from the data plate is a 3 speed single range Fordomatic with 4200 engine RPM wide open throttle up-shift governor for a 1960 Ford F100 with a 8 cyl 292 engine. Fordomatics used this external cooler. By my parts book info Fordomatics do not show available after 1960 year model. As to correct for your truck, it is quite likely. As I said before Ford did not stamp the VIN numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles. Cruiseomatics (dual range transmissions) which were also available in 1960 (PBW-H) had the lines hooked to the lower radiator tank .
This external cooler is a heat exchanger that does the job of the heat exchanger in the lower rad tank or is supposed to. The heat exchangers in the lower rad tank are much better. If you look at one of the pictures you see the word Harrison, Harrison was used by GM on some of their vehicles. I have seen these external transmission heat exchangers also on some of the early Lincolns.
I don't have a shop manual to know how to hook the hoses and my parts book does not show the endings of the heater hoses.
marv
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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marvh (3/7/2012)
56 ford custom (3/7/2012)
marvh (3/7/2012)
The non-finned convertor is correct for your transmission.
The cooler that is in the picture is correct for that transmission.
The B9A transmission shows in my Master Parts Catalog as being from a 1960 F100, as to be original to the truck I have no way of knowing as Ford did not stamp the serial numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles
marvSo what you are saying is that transmission is in fact the correct one for my truck. So this tranny is definately not an air cooled trans then? Even though it has the same bellhousing as an air cooled trans? Also my radiator doesnt have a cooler.from factory so the line has to go to the water pump. How does all of this hook up? Any body have a shop manual? Your transmission PBW-F from the data plate is a 3 speed single range Fordomatic with 4200 engine RPM wide open throttle up-shift governor for a 1960 Ford F100 with a 8 cyl 292 engine. Fordomatics used this external cooler. By my parts book info Fordomatics do not show available after 1960 year model. As to correct for your truck, it is quite likely. As I said before Ford did not stamp the VIN numbers on the transmissions until much later years and then mostly on the performance engined vehicles. Cruiseomatics (dual range transmissions) which were also available in 1960 (PBW-H) had the lines hooked to the lower radiator tank . This external cooler is a heat exchanger that does the job of the heat exchanger in the lower rad tank or is supposed to. The heat exchangers in the lower rad tank are much better. If you look at one of the pictures you see the word Harrison, Harrison was used by GM on some of their vehicles. I have seen these external transmission heat exchangers also on some of the early Lincolns. I don't have a shop manual to know how to hook the hoses and my parts book does not show the endings of the heater hoses. marv
I greatly appreciate all the info on the trans. Thank you.
My truck came stock with a radiator with no cooler on it or places for lines. I need to figure ou how this heater echange hooks up
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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If my trans is infact a liquid cooled and air cooled why does the bellhousing have an opening on driverside that catches air? My torque converter isnt finned so isnt that another indicator that its not air cooled?
I am just trying to understand all of this and get this "heat exchanger" or what ever its called hooked up properly and with all the right fittings. If anyone here has this setup in thier truck please.....post pictures or let me know exactly how it goes together. Remember...my radiator doesnt have anywhere to hook up lines and thats stock.
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By bergmanj - 13 Years Ago
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56, It doesn't surprise me at all that you may have a "air-cooled" bell-housing with a non-finned torque converter: Ford had a great tendency to "use-up" parts left over from previous years. The 312 I got years ago from a '57 Mercury station wagon had an original damper on it with the internal shaft tabs for a hand-crank (from the old flatheads)! The 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500 XL that my dad had made use of the leftover Edsel radiators (they had many 100,000's left over - part of the reason for the lower hood designs from '60 - on) rotated 90 degrees and called a "cross-flow". The '55 T'bird used many of the '54 Ford dash parts, knobs, etc. These are just some examples. I'm very sure that there are many more "hidden" in their builds. Regards, JLB
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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bergmanj (3/8/2012)
56,
It doesn't surprise me at all that you may have a "air-cooled" bell-housing with a non-finned torque converter: Ford had a great tendency to "use-up" parts left over from previous years.
The 312 I got years ago from a '57 Mercury station wagon had an original damper on it with the internal shaft tabs for a hand-crank (from the old flatheads)!
The 1963 1/2 Ford Galaxie 500 XL that my dad had made use of the leftover Edsel radiators (they had many 100,000's left over - part of the reason for the lower hood designs from '60 - on) rotated 90 degrees and called a "cross-flow".
The '55 T'bird used many of the '54 Ford dash parts, knobs, etc.
These are just some examples. I'm very sure that there are many more "hidden" in their builds.
Regards, JLB
I noticed ford did do the "use up" method. Saved a bunch of money I guess.
Can anyone here possibly find pictures from a manual or have a truck with the same warmer/cooler set up. I need to get this motor and trans back in the truck. I just need it hooked up correctly.
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By marvh - 13 Years Ago
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Maybe give these guys a call.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/
This the truck enthusiasts site so they should know the answer to your question.
If no success shoot us some pictures of the tee and the hose ends as well the tie ins at the block and weI will try to help figure it.
In one picture I have of a 6 cyl it shows one of the hoses tying into the lower rad hose.
As to an air cooled bell housing Henry was very frugal so to save money he probably used the bell for both std and auto trucks.
marv
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By 56 ford custom - 13 Years Ago
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marvh (3/8/2012)
Maybe give these guys a call.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/
This the truck enthusiasts site so they should know the answer to your question.
If no success shoot us some pictures of the tee and the hose ends as well the tie ins at the block and weI will try to help figure it.
In one picture I have of a 6 cyl it shows one of the hoses tying into the lower rad hose.
As to an air cooled bell housing Henry was very frugal so to save money he probably used the bell for both std and auto trucks.
marv
I am actually on that site and they too seem stumped on how the hoses are hooked up. The only tee is on the bellhousing and that splits the water going from the cooler/warmer to both sides of the block of the motor.
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