By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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has anyone had a billet crank made for a y block and if so what crank manu. did you use thanks adam
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By NoShortcuts - 13 Years Ago
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Welcome!
Recommend that you contact Ted Eaton. Contact info. is on his web site at www.eatonbalancing.com
Others may chime in with other leads as well. Ted has had at least one custom crank made for a y-block.
Regards,
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By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
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Moldex is where we get our billet cranks.
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By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
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They will build it to any specs you want for a Y-Block.
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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what price did they charge, i talked to scat i could buy a small airplane for what they want
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By PF Arcand - 13 Years Ago
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Obviously a custom order steel crank can't be cheap. At a guess Scat likely has patterns and so on mostly for SBCs, so they can do them for much less. Probably don't want to be bothered with a one off. Are you aware that some medium heavy Ford 292 trucks from 1961-64 had steel cranks? If you could get one, it likely could be offset ground for a stroker setup. Others on here with experience in this area may comment. Prices I've heard for custom cranks were in the $1800-$2000 range, but I can't confirm..
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By speedpro56 - 13 Years Ago
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Paul, I believe moldex charges in the neighborhood of $2500 to $ 3000 depending on what you want. These are billet strokers, not offset ground or welded up cranks.
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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scat was a lot north of 2500 or 3000 for a y block crank maybe ill call moldex. i was figuring 2500 range but not what scat was talking about adam
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By Ted - 13 Years Ago
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I've moved this topic to the Technical section as it's a better fit there. Here’s the link to a previous discussion about stroker cranks. http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic27324-3-1.aspx Performing a search on this site will bring up several different threads on this subject. While there are several companies doing billet crankshafts, I use Moldex almost exclusively for the billet cranks for the Y. I’ve used Velasco for billet crankshafts for other engine families but have never tried them for a Y billet crankshaft. Tom Lieb at Scat has been involved in discussions to make a production stroker crankshaft for the Y but there’s been no headway on that end yet.
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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if i take a set of nascar rods i bought can i turn a used steel crank to 1.85 rod journal and if i do how comprimised is crank just for street driving in a 56 ford truck im building thanks adam
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By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
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Adam,
It probably will not work out well. If that's all the stroke you want, get a 312 crank and offset it for a 2" journal. It will put you in nearly the same place.
What exactly are your intentions for this street driven truck? I was thinking you were building a drag motor or some high powered application of some sort. A billet crank seems unnecessary. There are quite a few running with cast cranks at 4-500hp or more with no issues.
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By Glen Henderson - 13 Years Ago
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I think 2" journal is about all you can get from a stock crank before the oil holes start running off center. Like Charlie asked why, several members have cast cranks in race motors with no problems.
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By suede57ford - 13 Years Ago
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It really depends on how you are going to use or how many cubes you want. If you want big cubes, you need to go with the billet crank, as a cast crank offset ground gets really weak when ground smaller. The 292 forged steel truck cranck can be welded up and ground, but the welding increases the chance of breaking greatly. I broke a forged steel crank at the track, but it had been welded and ofset ground. Ruined ever part of the motor including pulleys, pan, ati balancer, heads, aluminum timing cover, aluminum water pump, and split the block in have down the center. It did last almost a year though. A 312 crank should work fine if you stay away from Nitrous, blowers and manybe dragstrips. A manual transmision and good slicks may have contribute to breaking parts as well. For most people and offset 312 crank would last forever, especially with an automatic, until you jump up to the next level of performance or want big cubes. The weakest part of a Y-Block is the rods, do not ever use stock rods if plan to make any power at all. Mummert has a drop in perfomance rod that is very economical for312's. Much cheaper than destroying an engine every year.
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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my thought was to use a supercharger and wanted to beef bottom of engine as much as possible and add some stroke. talked to verne the other day on phone and told him i would be interested in one of his blocks if he did them, so i figured i'd buy good crank and bottom end parts
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 13 Years Ago
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By the way, what are nascar rods for a Y?
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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not for a y they are pankyl rods from a nascar were in a windsor but they are 6.2 long and billet so i figured i could use them in this 56 project im starting. just trying to figure out all the y block stuff never built one and this is first one i have owned
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By Ted - 13 Years Ago
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feadam (4/6/2012) if i take a set of nascar rods i bought can i turn a used steel crank to 1.85 rod journal and if i do how comprimised is crank just for street driving in a 56 ford truck im building thanks adam As Glen brings up, the rod journal oil hole creeping towards the edge of the journal is just one problem to watch for when offset grinding those cranks. Another problem to watch for is breaking into the oil hole at the rod journal filet or radii when grinding the journal to the smaller diameters. If you have a variety of crankshafts to pick from, then looking at the rod journal oil hole locations in detail can help you pick out a crankshaft that will offset grind to the smaller sized journals with less chance of problems. Here are some past discussions going into more detail on the filets in particular. http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic31049-3-2.aspx http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic61281-3-1.aspx http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic7173-5-2.aspx And here are some links regarding offset grinding Y crankshafts in general for more stroke. Crankshaft options Crankshaft filet radii Offset grinding for more stroke Using a 312 crankshaft in a 292 block
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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so if i go with a billet crank and the 1.85 rods what is max stroke before i hit cam or something in bottom of block
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By charliemccraney - 13 Years Ago
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I don't know if a "max" has been found but Ted built a 4" stroker. Since you are determined to use a particular rod, the max will be dictated somewhat by that rod, it's outer dimensions, and center to center length. There will be a minimum compression height required for the pistons, which will be custom as well, but I'm not sure what that is. If you know the rod dimensions, maybe Ted can give you an idea about what stroke is possible with it.
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By williebill - 13 Years Ago
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If the stock rods are the weakest parts,are there any non 312 rods that are better than others? Any year better than the others?
that might help explain why 2 of the junkyard 292s I've picked up have mangled rods in them. I'm using one of them as a mockup empty block because the block is really trashed,and I had to sawzall some of the rods to even get them out.
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By Grizzly - 13 Years Ago
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Williebill, If you do a search you probably see most of the information you require. There are four options. Original rods for original stroke 272/292 these can be improved with ARP bolts. Eagle H beam rods are used in stroker applications by reducing the diameter of the big end journal by offset grinding. These are essentialy scrub rods. There are forged truck rods C1TE that go with the steel crank these are the right lenght for 312. Also John Mumert list I beam aftermarket rods for 312. Also if you look at the racing section you will see a thread on "new blocks" the idea is being thrashed around but at 4.125 bore these will be a big block y block. Or is that a big y block or y big block. If it eventuates that will give you some cubes. cheers Warren
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By PF Arcand - 13 Years Ago
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I think that suggestions that Y-Blk rods are weak, needs to be put in prospective.. Keeping in mind that a damaged rod looked at today, is probably over 50 yrs old! And some of them were used for medium heavy Truck & Bus service. And as Warren points out, the cap bolts should be replaced in a current rebuild at the minumum. He also notes that (from 1961-64) heavy duty C1TE rods were available, that fit a 312. Further, there were H.D. C2AE rods that fit 272-292s. In any case, historically Y-Blk rods were likely at least as good or better than earlier SBC rods.
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By Ted - 13 Years Ago
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feadam (4/7/2012) so if i go with a billet crank and the 1.85 rods what is max stroke before i hit cam or something in bottom of blockThe connecting rod design will dictate how much stroke is possible as the rod to camshaft clearance is the limiting factor on the Y engines. All other crankcase areas will allow for a significant stroke increase without clearance issues. With the 1.889” journals (Honda), I’m doing the 4.000” stroke with the Eagle 6.300” H-Beam rods for Y builds. There’s no special base circle reduction on the camshafts as I’m going for as much lift as possible. I do put a small chamfer on the camshaft side of the rod around the top of the rod bolt threads though to insure a minimum of 0.050” clearance between the rods and the camshaft lobes.
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By Ted - 13 Years Ago
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williebill (4/7/2012) If the stock rods are the weakest parts,are there any non 312 rods that are better than others? Any year better than the others? ...... The C2AE and C1TE truck rods are a step above the EBU and ECZ rods. The same attention to detail must be applied to the truck rods though when rebuilding them from scratch and aftermarket rod bolts are always recommended in all connecting rod rebuilds. If using any connecting rods that are half a century old, then knowing their history helps. If they’ve already been cycled extensively or have been used in a previous performance application, then they are best avoided. New replacement 312 length rods in a HD design are available from John Mummert. If offset grinding the crankshaft to 2.100” or 2.000” journals, then there are a multitude of aftermarket options to choose from.
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By feadam - 13 Years Ago
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thanks ted i'm kinda leaning toward a steel crank with the 1.85 journal rods they are 6.2 lenth im hoping the new block happens but if not i have some plans to maybe see if i can get sleeves furnace brazed in. i have never seen an engine so locked up as 272 thats in truck, so if i knock pistons out and damage cyl its no lose. i kinda wanna do a 4inch bore with 4 inch stroke. i know verne said his block will be 4.125 bore but if he does block i'll go in that direction. adam
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By DualQuad312 - 13 Years Ago
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Hi ....I, have a friend who may have a steel crank for sale. It's a forged steel crank 292 most likely...Intended to be used on a truck....not sure? Best Regards, Jeff
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By John Mummert - 13 Years Ago
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I guess I should mention that we have new I-Beam rods for the smaller Y-Blocks, 239-256-272-292. Direct replacement for the EBU and C2AE rods.
They're like the 312 rods only .070" longer. Just haven't got them on the website yet.
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