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By Taff - 12 Years Ago
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hiya all,
latest installment from the UK :-)
The 59 Galaxie is up and running and driving and stopping. She is currently up on the ramps having the rockers replaced as the originals were rusted right through.
One thing I have noticed is that the trans is losing a lot of fluid. I have had a quick look under there and cleaned it up, but I can't see a leak until I run it (and pressurise the trans).
I have a couple of questions.
1/ what type of trans is in? it's a two speed auto behind a 292 Y-block, am I right in thinking it's called a cruise-o-matic?
2/ is there a repair/overhaul kit available for this tranmission and if so, who is the best supplier?
Thanks, Taff
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By Taff - 12 Years Ago
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forgot to add, I have changed the oil and filter, and fitted a new oil pan gasket.
do thses type of trans tend to leak from anywhere specific?
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By Grumpy1 - 12 Years Ago
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Macsautoparts.com will have the parts you need. They have international orders.
Greg
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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Is the entire transmission aluminum or is the front half iron? There was a true 2 speed CruiseOmatic in the later cars its identified by its full aluminum case. Its sort of hard to diagnose a leak without seeing the car but. The two areas that come to mind are the front and rear seal. The rear is where the driveshaft slides into the transmission. The front is inside the torque converter area and requires pulling the transmission to repair. Also when leaks are bad sometimes the bushings may need replaces. Chuck
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By Pete 55Tbird - 12 Years Ago
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Taff, Just as Chuck told your if you A/T has a removable bell housing ( the bell can be seperated from the transmission case) then you have the three speed FOM or Cruise O Matic same thing they just changed the name.
If that is the case just find an older mechanic who is familiar with the Borg Warner 35 transmission as the two are very very similar. Your leak will be the forward imput shaft seal That the torque converter rides on and if you want to take a fling something like Lucas transmission seal conditioner cant make the leak any worse and might actually help ( a little). Dried out seals might come back to life.
A seal kit is light weight so shipping will not be too terrible. Pete
edit due poor spelling
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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Apart from usual front pump to converter seal leak! usually more than rear housing leak, i have come across selecter shaft seal in side of box that will leak if overfull and when engine turned off, will fill case with oil past that seal and leak also. just pays to checl.
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By Taff - 12 Years Ago
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thanks all for the info.
I'll check the trans, I didn't actually look to see if it was all-ally or not, but I will check under it this weekend.
I know what you mean by the front & rear seals, but there didn't look to be any "fresh" oil at the rear seal. Though I'm concious that the car hadn't been driven in nigh on 40 years, so the seals are likely to be a little dried out!
is the selector shaft on the left? by the kick-down arm? there looked to be fresh fluid all over that!!
And good news about macs, i have an account with them!
Thanks and keep the info coming, your helping to get a '59 Galaxie back on the road over here!
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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TAFF, yes selector shaft seal is where the levers are on side of box, if i remember rightly, have to drop valvebody to remove levers to get to the small seal. Check thoroughly 1st to avoid unnecessary work. From my expeirence, the FOM has removable cast iron bellhousing and later Cruiso has removable alloy bellhousing ( 62 galaxie). Regards bill.
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By Pete 55Tbird - 12 Years Ago
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Taff, This is a link to the website The Old Car Manuals project. Use it to find information on almost any car ever made and all the components that are on that car. Carbs, transmissions, etc.
Here is a link to the 3 speed FOM/COM http://www.oldcarmanualproject.com/manuals/Ford/1958/Service/04/FordOMaticandCruiseOMaticT/index.html
Pete
project with a j got a g
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By peeeot - 12 Years Ago
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Taff, I had a '59 Galaxie 292 2-barrel and it had the aluminum case Fordomatic 2-speed. It had only 2 gears, first was 1.82:1. I would imagine your car has the same transmission. The FE-powered 59s used the 3-speed fully automatic Cruiseomatic unit. I don't know whether the Cruise-o was available with the 292 that year, but I would guess it was uncommon.
The Fordomatic 3-speed of 1957 and earlier was unconventional in that it started in intermediate (1.47:1) unless the throttle was pushed through the detent at very low speeds. The 2.40:1 low ratio could also be manually selected.
I'm pretty sure the Cruisomatic (which had 2 "drive" ranges, one of which behaved like your typical 3-speed) came out in '58. I am not sure whether there was any overlap in production of the 3-spd Fordo and Cruiso.
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By wlj1943 - 12 Years Ago
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Hi peeeot,You are correct. The Cruse-o-matics (Ford spelling) were all 3 speeds as were the earlier 1951-1957 Fordomatics; as you point out first gear only available via either a full throttle start (after I think by 1953) and /or by starting in Low and then manually shifting to D. All old drag racers knew this (Yes, I am one of these)
Beginning in model year 1958, there were 2 automatic transmissions offered on all Fords ( and perhaps some Edsel's and some Mercury's) being the lower cost now 2 speed Fordomatic and the 3 speed Crus-o-matic. All were derived from a Borg Warner design which Ford licensed in 1951. Ratios for the two speed were the same as the 2-3 ratios (1,82/1.00) of the 3 speed 2.49.1.82/1.00. My antique ATRA manual ( 1971) says the converters differed
(higher stall) for the 2 speed units and varied by engine. The 1-2-3 shift auto sequence was made possible by the addition of the low sprag clutch and hydraulic circuit and valve body modifications. Thant all I remember without digging deeper.
Many or most, especially later than 1958, but possibly not all 2 speed Fordomatics have the one piece aluminium case; I think I worked on some with a iron gear case and a separate Alum. bell housings back in the day.
WJ
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By Taff - 12 Years Ago
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Finally got under the car at the weekend (how I wish I had a ramp at home...)
Pease excuse the state of it, I scrapped as much muck of it as I could! The picture is taken from the rear of the tranmission, passenger side, facing forward. That is the trans crossmember at the bottom of the picture.
The blue arrow is pointing (roughly) at the gasket, I guess this one is leaking (even though it is only a few months old - I guess I didn't get it seale properly)
The red arrow points to a pipe that appears to have trans oil coming from it. What is this, some kind of vent to atmosphere?
other than these, there doen't appear to be any fresh oil elsewhere on the trans, though there was a good sized oil spot under her. I also removed the torque-converter inspection plate and it was dry in there too.
any ideas?
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By Taff - 12 Years Ago
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hi guys, well after a lay-up forced on me by work, I have been abke to have another look at the trans.
I changed the gasket and she's still leaking, so I ran a bottle of Lucas trans fix through her and she's still leaking.
So I guess formchristmass the trans is coming out.
So I can order an overhaul kit, I need to work out which tranny I have. I have studied the details in the thread so far and then looked on the Macs Auto web site and they don't seem to match.
Macs mention either a FOM small case or medium case, how does this relate the trans itself?
thanks in advance
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By oldcarmark - 12 Years Ago
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If you check the case there should be an ID tag with letters and numbers.If you can post those I have a Parts Catalog.Failing that measure the main case from bellhousing to tailshaft housing The Small case type is just under 10 inchs.
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By 56_Fairlane - 12 Years Ago
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There was overlap, both transmissions were available.
http://www.oldcarbrochures.org/NA/Ford/1959_Ford/1959_Ford_Brochure_1/1959-Ford-09
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