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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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I'm curious what cylinder heads Ford used on Australian import Y Blocks. More specifically the heads on the later Star Model 272 Customlines and Mainlines. Been searching but there's not much info I can find here on these heads.
Cheers Woody
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By ecode ragtop - 12 Years Ago
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The Aussie cars were not imported ,but built in OZ standard 272-292 heads, I may be wrong and Bill will jump in if I am!
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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ecode ragtop (12/5/2013)
The Aussie cars were not imported ,but built in OZ standard 272-292 heads, I may be wrong and Bill will jump in if I am!
Yes cars were assembled in Australia from US/ Canadian sourced parts. Are you saying the heads were cast in Australia?
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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I was referring to the Y Block Engine. Not the car. I assume the engine was also assembled here in Australia with parts and from what I read these heads started with the C prefix in their parts cast number but which of these C prefix heads made it into the Star models? Sorry if the question was not clear.
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By slick56 - 12 Years Ago
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ecode ragtop (12/5/2013)
The Aussie cars were not imported ,but built in OZ standard 272-292 heads, I may be wrong and Bill will jump in if I am!
The cars were imported CKD, completely knocked down, ie. in many parts, and assembled here in Geelong. The Mainline utes were built on a convertible chassis with the big x-member, the ute rear and roof were pressed here.
As a matter of interest, our crossover pipe exited on the left, so if you wanted an original looking engine you could use an aussie lh manifold and run dual exhausts.
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By slick56 - 12 Years Ago
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Woody (12/5/2013)
I'm curious what cylinder heads Ford used on Australian import Y Blocks. More specifically the heads on the later Star Model 272 Customlines and Mainlines. Been searching but there's not much info I can find here on these heads. ..
I am pretty sure the later Star models were 292. I am also interested in knowing what heads they used.
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By snowcone - 12 Years Ago
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I thought all the sedans were 272 and the Mainline and F series had the 292.
Mine is a 58 Star with a 272 but I don't think the 59 got the 292 standard unless it was ordered.
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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Mine is a 58 Star Mainline. Its has a 272 which has been bored to 292.
I have a brochure for the 58 Star model with specs. I am having trouble posting the pic here. but a bit of what is advertised states:
FORD V8 MAINLINE COUPE UTILITY
ENGINE- V8 O.H.V.
Bore and Stroke - 3.626 x 3.30
Piston Displacement - Cubic capacity 272 cu. in.
Compression Ratio - 7.1 : 1
292 is not mentioned but it may have been an option.
This compression ratio in the brochure of 7.1 : 1 got me looking at the compression ratios listed on the cylinder head charts again.
I can't find those numbers. It is referring to cylinder head compression isn't it?
http://www.ford-y-block.com/cylinderheadchart.htm
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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What ever heads they used, likely have casting letters/#s that would give some indication of manufacture. Some or all blocks in that period were apparently cast in Canada, likely in Hamilton Ontario.
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By yalincoln - 12 Years Ago
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they probably used truck pistons with shorter compression distance to come up with the lower compression. are you referring to the late phase II heads? they were only used in Australia and I would guess they were cast there. I belive there was a discussion on these a while ago, check the files.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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What are you gonna do with a set of heads that mount on the bottom of the engine? :-} Chuck
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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Woody (12/5/2013)
I was referring to the Y Block Engine. Not the car. I assume the engine was also assembled here in Australia with parts and from what I read these heads started with the C prefix in their parts cast number but which of these C prefix heads made it into the Star models? Sorry if the question was not clear.
I think you mean the heads ended with C . Most head numers started with E.prefix, ie, ECZ, ECG
yyy
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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snowcone (12/6/2013)
I thought all the sedans were 272 and the Mainline and F series had the 292.
Mine is a 58 Star with a 272 but I don't think the 59 got the 292 standard unless it was ordered.
Unfortunatley many facts and details have been distorted by hearsay, personal opinions, and whatever one wants to believe, here in Australia, accurate record details on production, manufacture and facts have never been really kept, compared to the US car manufacturers. Hence i can only add what i believe and stand in line to be run over.
There were NO 292 cars here untill the 1960 F600 Truck on, it also came in HD version with spider wheels and 2 speed diff,steel crank, bigger rods and double row t/chain. There were very low number of Goverment ordered sedans with 292,s police/special use. I have seen them," 58-59 starmodel" with ECG- S, which is cast between exhaust ports. The 272 blocks were cast in Canada and finish machined here.
yyy
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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yalincoln (12/6/2013)
they probably used truck pistons with shorter compression distance to come up with the lower compression. are you referring to the late phase II heads? they were only used in Australia and I would guess they were cast there. I belive there was a discussion on these a while ago, check the files.
Not to mix up Argentine 292 engines , i.e. phase 11, with regular style heads used on normal y blocks.
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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snowcone (12/6/2013)
I thought all the sedans were 272 and the Mainline and F series had the 292.
Mine is a 58 Star with a 272 but I don't think the 59 got the 292 standard unless it was ordered.
Gary, you are right, i believe 292 was only avail to government cars by order. I have mate with 58-59 Starmodel Government parade car, has the flag holders on hood and fenders, he swears it was ordered with 312. Of the 6 Gov cars i have been involved with, they have been 58 -59 starmodels, with manual trans and noted leather seats with center arm rests and center roof aerials. As i have said before, accurate or any record keeping here by Ford was poor or just lost to time. I have made enquires to Ford Archives here with no reply.
yyy
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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Hi Bill,
I took that info about the 'C' prefix before the casting number from ford-y-block.com cylinder head identification chart which states a 'C' prefix before Cylinder Head casting # indicates Canadian, Australian or South African Export.
Like you say Australian Y block records are non existent or not so good. What types of heads are you predominantly seeing on original Y Block engines in Australian cars? I wouldn't think there would be that much variety but could be wrong.
Cheers Woody
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Bill, you'd think they would have cast the blocks and heads in Australia. Must have been expensive to ship them from North America! How about the Frames and sheet metal? Obviously the Utes are different from our cars.
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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pegleg (12/9/2013)
Bill, you'd think they would have cast the blocks and heads in Australia. Must have been expensive to ship them from North America! How about the Frames and sheet metal? Obviously the Utes are different from our cars.
Frank, as i said earlier, accurate info is hard to substantiate here on manufacturing here, i allways thought/assumed the lot were made here after 55 but various input from other scources often contradict that. WE shall look into it a bit further. Wish you and the guys a MERRY XMAS.
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Bill,
Heck, shouldn't be hard, was only 65-70 years ago and Ford's Shutting down there!!
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By marvh - 12 Years Ago
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To my knowledge most of the parts were exported from Canada to Australia.
Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa were all part of the British Commonwealth. These countries as part of the commonwealth had a preferred tax rate for trade between each other. I have been led to believe Ford used this as means to get their products into these countries using Ford of Canada as the conduit.
When Ford of Canada finished stamping the 56 Fords the dies were disassembled and shipped to Australia to make the Australian Star models.
I have never seen any Yblock heads that had been mfg in Canada. All the heads I have seen on Canadian cars were from the Dearborn Foundry and no ECZ heads mfg after May 57 so no posted ECZ heads either. If someone in Oz could check the heads on an original Oz car they likely to find the heads are Dearborn Foundry.
The Canadian manual transmissions have a nub cast on the housing which is not tapped whereas the USA transmissions do not have this nub. When the Australian Dazzle car was still in Canada I saw this nub tapped for a bolt to hold either the clutch linkage or shift linkage for RHD. Bill could correct me what this linkage is used for.
marv
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By snowcone - 12 Years Ago
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The one good point is that I have a Star model and all you guys in the northern hemisphere missed out on arguably the best looking model that Ford put together. 
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By yblock - 12 Years Ago
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i have read thata #of industrial ys wher made in canada.a number of years ago i purchased a core from a lumber carrier being repowered with a 350 chev.the core had huge valves with large stems(sodeum) cooled.aperantlythe cranks wher forged.almost every large forklift and carrier was yblock powered on the west coast. replace due to the long nose that eventually broke due to the front pto that drove a hyd pump. i will look in some old info to try get some factual info. i wound up junking the engine that was beyond repair
presently building a 292 block cast in 1962 similer rods to 312s no markings of country it was castin.came from 3/4 ton pickup,was standerd bore.
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By lyonroad - 12 Years Ago
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snowcone (12/11/2013)
The one good point is that I have a Star model and all you guys in the northern hemisphere missed out on arguably the best looking model that Ford put together.
Doesn't the 1955 Meteor look just like a '58 Australian Star model?
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By yblock - 12 Years Ago
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found info on casting #s for canada 256 and 272 ceby cast in canada
292ceck cast in canada
no info on which engines made in canada my block is c2ae my info does not show that# any info on that #would be great
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By aussiebill - 12 Years Ago
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Very much so! thats where it came from, the rideau.
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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I see a lot of comments here that unless you have G heads, 113's or aftermarket alloy heads you wont make any real power. So what are you guys with Australian cars finding as far as making power with the cylinder heads on the Australian cars?
I'd imagine the alternative of importing heavy cylinder heads half way around the globe could get pretty expensive.
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By snowcone - 12 Years Ago
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They based the Australian Star model on the Canadian Rideau but Ford reduced the size of the rediculously large Star in the grill to a smaller one just in the centre which looks really nice.
Woody - I checked my spare pair of heads and they are ECG
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By Woody - 12 Years Ago
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Hi Snowcone. Mine are ECG-D. Looks like that's probably what our 58 Star Models came out with.
Cheers, Woody
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By rick55 - 12 Years Ago
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With the internet age and the flood of cars to Oz more G heads turn up on our shore. But before this the savvy folk had engine reconditioneres modify their Oz heads by fitting larger valves. The heads on my Ute are ECG D's from memory (have core plugs either end) but gave the biggest exhaust valves which would fit squeezed in. The ports were all match ported and polished. They have been fitted to a couple of engines over the years.
My old girl still gets along Okay even in these days of unleaded fuel, though it only gets out about once a month nowadays.
As a teenager (a long time ago), the hot mod for Holdens was fitting yblock valves in Holden heads along with porting and polishing.
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