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By The Bat out of hell - 12 Years Ago
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Seems I remeber there being a sincro 1st gear 3 speed at some point,what years and how to find one?
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By Dobie Gillis - 12 Years Ago
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Early 60s, possibly '63. I seem to recall Ford advertising a "3 1/2 speed" transmission. It was nothing more than a 3 speed with 1st synchronized.
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By 312T85Bird - 12 Years Ago
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Starting in 1964 with the introduction of the Mustang Just about every FORD trans came out with a syncro first gear and I do not know of any before that. You might call someone like Automatic Rebuilders in Appleton, Wisconsin at (920) 731-3268 because they do about any trans that anyone wants done correct here in the Fox Valley. Most of us use the old method of shifting to third at a stop to slow the gears down and if you want to go to first without stopping then use the REV & Stab process. Please post if you discover something that I have not heard of. Thanks.
Tom
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By PF Arcand - 12 Years Ago
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Tom: "Rev & stab" was more commonly called, especially by truck drivers " double clutching"
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By 312T85Bird - 12 Years Ago
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Now quite the same, REV & Stab was to bring the REV's up and Stab it into first gear. I did have to Double Clutch a few old Dodge five ton trucks and an Old white Mustang straight eight Gas because of the Square gears in the trans. Like all truck drivers of the day, many times we only used the clutch when starting and stopping and the rest of the time just let off the gas to shift up and REV & Stab to shift down.
Tom
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By gekko13 - 12 Years Ago
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1964 was the first year for the T & C, all synchro 3 speed gear box. It was used in many auto and lt. truck applications. It was even sold to GM because they didn't have an equivalent. They were installed until the mid-seventies, very common in "entry level" models.
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By pegleg - 12 Years Ago
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Basically it's a three speed "Toploader" There's one with a 2.40 low and a truck version with a 2.99 low. Very nice tranny. You will have to change the disc to an 1 1/8"-10 spline, and drill the top two mounting holes in the front to match the Y block bell. Output shafts are different between different versions and there are at least two lengths. Mustangs were short, Galaxies and Truck/ vans were long. I like the long ones because all you have to do is shorten your existing driveshaft, vs. having a new one made.
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By paul2748 - 12 Years Ago
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As far as I know, the 63 Fairlanes with a V8 had a syncro three speed, the 3.03 trans It shows it in the 60-64 car parts manual.
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By The Bat out of hell - 12 Years Ago
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Thanks,very good info as always.
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By MoonShadow - 12 Years Ago
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If my feeble memory is correct the 3spd syncro was introduced in 63 1/2 in the HiPo 390 6pack Galaxie's. A friend of mine bought one new back then. Had the syncro floor shift. Cool. Chuck
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By Ol Ford Guy - 12 Years Ago
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A lot of Hi Perf 60-63+? cars had T85 OD's, OD would let you down shift to first with no crunch.
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By 312T85Bird - 12 Years Ago
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REALLY? I have driven a lot of overdrives including the T-85 I drive now and could never get into first while rolling with out bringing the REV's up first, in or out of overdrive because you still have to slow the cears down or bring the REV's up to match.
Tom
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By speedpro56 - 12 Years Ago
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Actually some of the earlier fully synchro 3 speeds had a double bolt pattern but you still had to grind the pilot input shaft some because it was a little too long.
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By 312T85Bird - 12 Years Ago
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That is helpful information for anyone doing a non standard swap.
Tom
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By slumlord444 - 12 Years Ago
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There were two basic top loader fully synchronized 3 speed transmissions. They were introduced in the 1963 Fords. The standard duty was used in small blocks. The heavy duty was used in big blocks. Standard duty has a longer input shaft and is too long to bolt directly into a Y block unless you shorten the input shaft slightly or shim the transmission out from the bell housing. Shortening the input shaft is the best. The light duty will work fine if you have a stock engine and take it easy. Best bet is the heavy duty from a big block. It will bolt in a Y Block and hold up to high horsepower and abuse. As stated earlier it is a 4 speed top loader with only 3 speeds. Ran the big block version in my T-Bird until I took the car apart to re build some time back and it was abused severely. The gear ratios are also different. Light duty has a lower first gear and gets off the line better but has a wide gap between second and third. The heavy duty has a higher low gear but the gap between all three gears is a lot closer and works better with the right rear end. An advantage to the light duty if you do not abuse it is that you can use a higher rear end gear and still take off form a stop sign well but get better gas mileage because of the higher rear end.
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By Vic Correnti - 12 Years Ago
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Well after all the talk about the syncro three speed trans I went out in the 9 degree weather in my garage and looked at one I used to have in my T-bird. It is not a top loader, and has a fine input shaft. Too much time has passed for me to remember if I modified the input shaft. If anyone is interested I would sell it. I should have the clutch disc and output yoke too. I am located in northern Illinois but do travel between here and North Carolina frequently.
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By speedpro56 - 12 Years Ago
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Vic!! with a 9 degree garage temp I believe I would catch the first train heading SOUTH!!!!
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