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I am thinking about restoring my old 272 y block, it´s completely appart any day know and prettysmuch everything seems to be checked and overhauled exept the rotating assembly, someone has been here not to long ago so I imagine the machineshop wont have that much to do other then go thru the engine block and al the tolerences and so on. But I am planing to hand it to the mahinceshop and they will give me a quota on what needs to be done.

So now to the question:

If I decide to go this route I was thinking about using the stock 272 .030 over block, stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons, stock heads, but put on a -b intake, ramhorns and a more modern carb like

http://www.demoncarbs.com/4282020VE.asp
or
http://www.holley.com/0-8007.asp

or do you have any other carb suggestion

So down to the question. Will these update feature be overkill? or will it make it run more smooth and more user friendly....??

Any tips or thaughts are more than welcome. Whats a suitable carb for a stocker? Before I tore  it appart I had a Autolite 2100 292J C3TF-K and a pretty worn cam timing chain so it didn´t ran that good and the throttle responce was lame from 0-50% and pretty much no responce from 50-100% trottle ........

Or should I give this up and go for a Tim McMaster 324 stroker, 113 heads, a few notch over stock cam. -B or mummert intake, ram horns, -57up dist with msd box.....?????

I am situated in Sweden so the two tracks will end up on the same money pretty much.

Please give me all the feedback you can,

I really would like to know the feeling of the Tim McMaster stroker  between the framerails, but the other side of me wants to keep the stock engine, and at the moment I cant afford building both.........

The thaught has actually struck be to go all in and ask Tim to change the 113 heads for a set of alu mummert heads, and emty the Ford F100 -56 restoration account for now..........

Jesus I have a hard time deciding what path to choose.........



Best regards Jimmy Carlsson, Fagersta (Sweden) Ford F100 1956, 272 , 3 manual with OD
Follow my restoration on http://dinnerhillspeedshop.blogspot.se/
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jimcar-9 (5/31/2014)
stock 272 .030 over block, stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons, stock heads, but put on a -b intake, ramhorns and a more modern carb like


http://www.demoncarbs.com/4282020VE.asp
or
http://www.holley.com/0-8007.asp

+ centrifugal dizzy, a little bit hotter cam than stock, lowered cc.


...or total overkill with 5-speed and ~4:1 rear gear.w00t





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stock 272 .030 over block, stock crank, stock rods, stock pistons, stock heads, but put on a -b intake, ramhorns and a more modern carb like


http://www.demoncarbs.com/4282020VE.asp
or
http://www.holley.com/0-8007.asp

+ centrifugal dizzy, a little bit hotter cam than stock, lowered cc.


...or total overkill with 5-speed and ~4:1 rear gear.w00t






What compression Ratio would you recomend? How much can you take of the c heads or are there any thiner gaskets that could be used.

What carb would you recomend of the two mentioned, or maybe someone Else?


Best regards Jimmy Carlsson, Fagersta (Sweden) Ford F100 1956, 272 , 3 manual with OD
Follow my restoration on http://dinnerhillspeedshop.blogspot.se/
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I dont know anything about carb's but Holley is easy to tune cause there arent too many things to tune. That is the good and the bad thing. Somebody else knows more.

Grinding the block surface to height of piston tops is best way to reduce the cc. Then using popup pistons and/or grinding the heads. I think the 10:1 would be nice but everything over 9:1 is fine too to milder cams. I took the 1.3mm from my own -113 heads and I remember those are about 60cc now.

If you choose the machining the old block, then you might want to bore the cylinders straight to size of 292.
If Sweden got even close to same prices than Finland, the machining anything is super expensive choice but hauling from new world is too.Angry

And if you are choosing the alu-head choice, I think you are the first european to do that. Smile



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I would go for the McMaster engine. The will look the same on the outside. Also depends on what you are going to use it for. I usually like a little more that stock power and with a few mods like the mummert intake, aluminum heads you are already there.
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The thing is that I have taken the engine appart now and the rotating assembly looks REALLY nice .030 over so I imagine it only needs a machineshop to look it over at then put in some new bearings, rings etc.

But the Tim Track is also tempting........

Best regards Jimmy Carlsson, Fagersta (Sweden) Ford F100 1956, 272 , 3 manual with OD
Follow my restoration on http://dinnerhillspeedshop.blogspot.se/
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I would be tempted to use the 272 with the mods you mentioned(mild cam,duals,better carb). that will cost less and get you back on the road sooner.you can always build a bigger engine later. I dont know what youre availability is but I am using a 600cfm Edelbrock on my 312 and it works far better than my old 600 cfm Holley did even after rebuild.  
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What compression ratio would you recommend?
What carb would you recommend?


Consider making a well thought through determination of how you are going to regularly use your vehicle.  As was mentioned, warming over what you have will get you on the street l-o-n-g before doing everything you might like to do.

As was also stated, you want to install a '57 up style FoMoCo distributor IF you don't have one.  The early y-block vacuum-advance-only ignition distributor advance system was dropped by FoMoCo for good reason.

IF you will be doing street type driving, crisp throttle response becomes important.  The 'B' intake manifold coupled with a carb with small primary throttle plates and vacuum controlled secondary throttle plates will provide good performance with the cubic inches you are presently feeding.

Having the block decked so that the pistons ARE flush with the top of the cylinder bore is the most productive way to reduce the combustion chamber volume.

The maximum workable static compression ratio for your engine is dependent upon your engine's dynamic compression ratio.  The dynamic compression ration is tied to the camshaft you select with regard to when the intake valve closes.  Your engine's dynamic compression ratio determines what gasoline octane you have-to-have to avoid detonation.


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