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Huh? Only 7 Inches of Vacuum!

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Hey everyone, first a disclaimer:

The vacuum gauge shown in my video, I just got today. It's old, abused, and looks like hell, but it is a Snap-on. Maybe from the 70's. I dunno. Anyway...

I hooked it up to a vacuum source on my 292 and got 5 inches when cold and 7 when it warmed up. I do have a booster for my windshield wipers. That only reads 10 inches. The video shows me idling at about 600 to 700 rpm.

So, is that low of vacuum possible? The engine idles fine, it does have a stutter and sometimes stall at acceleration from a dead stop (still diagnosing that) but once it's on the highway she accelerates fine. Could my gauge be shot? Could there be a vacuum leak? Any other ideas?

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For starters, I'd get another gauge. Next question, are you using manifold vacuum, or coming off a ported source? I'd think at 7", you'd need more like 1200 rpm at idle. Someone with a real race car would know.

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First of all, get a known good gauge and check the engine.  Just because it's a Snap On doesn't mean it can't be bad.


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Okay, Okay, I'll buy a new gauge…and here I was thinking I was all slick because I bought a snap-on for only $10. lol Smile Here is where I am taking my measurements from. Keep in mind there is a T here. I am using the side that feeds to my wipers, the other side goes to my pcv valve, which I am leaving connected:

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Temporarily disconnect and plug the PCV connection. If the vacumn goes up, check which PCV valve you're using. A vacumn leak that size thru the valve would also answer the hesitation, as that much airflow (big vacumn leak) would cause a lean condition. I've done PCV valves into the manifold like that, but never saw such low vacuum. Run a search here, recommended PCV valves will show up. Most times, the valve runs either into the carb, or a drilled adaptor plate between it and the manifold.

Spell check doesn't seem to know how to spell vacumn? Vacuum? Should have paid more attention in school, I can't either.

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Temporarily disconnect and plug the PCV connection. If the vacumn goes up, check which PCV valve you're using. A vacumn leak that size thru the valve would also answer the hesitation, as that much airflow (big vacumn leak) would cause a lean condition. I've done PCV valves into the manifold like that, but never saw such low vacuum. Run a search here, recommended PCV valves will show up. Most times, the valve runs either into the carb, or a drilled adaptor plate between it and the manifold.

Spell check doesn't seem to know how to spell vacumn? Vacuum? Should have paid more attention in school, I can't either.


You are spot on! I couldn't help myself and I went just now to go test your theory. I plugged the pcv valve with my finger and vacuum shot up to 17! Hooray! Now I just need to figure out which pcv valve I actually need. Thanks for your help!

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You can insert an orfice in the line to the valve and that will get you moving in the mean time. My outfit is using the valve for a 60's 292 truck and it is way too much flow when connected directly to the later style carb base port. But has worked fine after the orfice was installed in the hose.

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Temporarily disconnect and plug the PCV connection. If the vacumn goes up, check which PCV valve you're using. A vacumn leak that size thru the valve would also answer the hesitation, as that much airflow (big vacumn leak) would cause a lean condition. I've done PCV valves into the manifold like that, but never saw such low vacuum. Run a search here, recommended PCV valves will show up. Most times, the valve runs either into the carb, or a drilled adaptor plate between it and the manifold.

Spell check doesn't seem to know how to spell vacumn? Vacuum? Should have paid more attention in school, I can't either.


You are spot on! I couldn't help myself and I went just now to go test your theory. I plugged the pcv valve with my finger and vacuum shot up to 17! Hooray! Now I just need to figure out which pcv valve I actually need. Thanks for your help!


If you are using the type of PCV Valve that goes in a grommet in the Valley Cover I ended up using one for a 78 or so 4 Cylinder Fairmont/Zephyr.I first one I tried was for a 302 Ford and it was allowing too much Air at idle.Trial and error or try a restrictor as was suggested. 

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You can insert an orfice in the line to the valve and that will get you moving in the mean time. My outfit is using the valve for a 60's 292 truck and it is way too much flow when connected directly to the later style carb base port. But has worked fine after the orfice was installed in the hose.

Steve, as the restricter guru, what size orifice did you install?

Thanks.



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Thanks for the help everyone. I too would like to know what size restrictor would be good to start with. The only one I can find for sale is a Dorman 3/16. I will try a smaller pcv as well.

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