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Thunderbird Cooling Questions?

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Now that summer is on it's way, I am thinking about making additional improvements to my TBird's cooling system. I already have an aluminum radiator and electric fan.  Made a big difference.  There are a number of additional modification available. Casco sells a water pump with deeper fins.  I believe this is to compensate for the TBird spacer.  They also make a smaller water pump pully which is supposed to improve flow at idle.  I have also seen an improved spacer. My issue is only when sitting in traffic on a hot day.   As soon as I move, the temp returns to normal. Any input?


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Hi Phil, if you have the original timing chain extension “water pump spacer” there is an internal flaw in its design that diminishes water pump flow and contributes to overheating at idle. As was mentioned by 55blacktie Chris Ames did formal thermal dynamics testing on a prototype he developed, and proved his theory. Chris published the results of coolant flow tests at specific engine RPMs, comparing the original spacer with his design, the results are quite impressive. I was one of the early purchasers of his replacement and met him in person at a regional in New Jersey a couple years back. I have it installed in my 312 and it’s all he says it is. I have a six blade clutch fan, Griffen aluminum radiator and a 170 degree thermostat. With Chris’s spacer I don’t run over 170 degrees which is approximately 4 fifths of the way to the end of the solid white line, the end of which is 190 degrees while in motion. In heavy stop and go traffic it can get to 190 or slightly over, but 190 is nothing and when moving again the temperature quickly drops back to normal. I would recommend sticking with your water pump as a “high flow” pump will mask but not correct the design flaw in the spacer. While there are a number of things that can contribute to our Y blocks overheating Chris’s spacer hits one right on the nose. I highly recommend it 🚗.




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[quote]312YBlock (4/25/2021)
Hi Phil, if you have the original timing chain extension “water pump spacer” there is an internal flaw in its design that diminishes water pump flow and contributes to overheating at idle. As was mentioned by 55blacktie Chris Ames did formal thermal dynamics testing on a prototype he developed, and proved his theory. Chris published the results of coolant flow tests at specific engine RPMs, comparing the original spacer with his design, the results are quite impressive. I was one of the early purchasers of his replacement and met him in person at a regional in New Jersey a couple years back. I have it installed in my 312 and it’s all he says it is. I have a six blade clutch fan, Griffen aluminum radiator and a 170 degree thermostat. With Chris’s spacer I don’t run over 170 degrees which is approximately 4 fifths of the way to the end of the solid white line, the end of which is 190 degrees while in motion. In heavy stop and go traffic it can get to 190 or slightly over, but 190 is nothing and when moving again the temperature quickly drops back to normal. I would recommend sticking with your water pump as a “high flow” pump will mask but not correct the design flaw in the spacer. While there are a number of things that can contribute to our Y blocks overheating Chris’s spacer hits one right on the nose. I highly recommend it 🚗.

If he ever gets around to casting them in aluminum, I will order one.  In the meantime, the orig. CASCO modified pump I bought years ago solved all my overheating issues (and I run zero coolant pressure).





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Thanks for the input.  My TBird has a manual transmission with OD and 4.11 gears. At 60 mph, I turn about 2,200 RPM in 3rd gear OD.  My car also has a 170 degree thermostat. I never turn my engine over 5,000 RPM.   It stays at 170-180 degrees whenever it's moving. In the summer sitting in a traffic jam or waiting in line, the temp creeps up.  So far it has not boiled over.  Casco wants $140 including freight for their pulley.  I bought one from Summit for $50.  If that doesn't do the job, I'll look into the improved spacer.


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As I remember I had to use a shorter fan belt; the generator at that time didn’t have enough movement. I hope it works for as it did for me. At 2200 I’m right at 65 now and can run over 70 and like the lower rpm keeping up with highway traffic and still hearing the radio.

56 Vic, B'Ville 200 MPH Club Member, So Cal.

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