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My 56 shop manual shows a counterweight on the camshaft,but none of the several 292's I've taken apart have had this counterweight.Have they all been removed or were they never in there to begin with?

 

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Hoosier Hurricane (2/5/2008)
Ted: Do you remember the Shaller 1/4 speed camshafts of the '60s?  Dual lobe, as you depicted.  They were roller tappet cams, and gear driven.  They had to do that to keep the size of the top gear small enough to fit inside the timing cover.  Included was a distributor with a built in planetary gear setup to speed it and the oil pump back up to 1/2 crankshaft speed.  They were short-lived, either to expensive to produce competitively, or were never accepted by the rodders.

John.  I did remember someone actually doing this cam design but didn’t have a name to put with it.  Thanks for the name and the details on the ignition and oiling.

Cactus (2/5/2008)
This thread has addressed the imbalance in the cam, and I think, started with the counterweight to balance the fuel pump eccentric.  What happens if you don't install the eccentric to start with?

Even with nothing but the cam gear in place and the eccentric removed on the Y camshaft, there is still an amount of imbalance present.  As John brought up earlier, this has to do with the stacking of the lobes at the front of the camshaft due to the firing order.  This is not unique to just the Y as almost all engines exhibit this to some degree on one end of the camshaft or the other.  The Y Block when first introduced was one of the few efforts made to address this before being dropped as an item that didn’t justify the cost in doing it.

 

I’m simply balancing the camshafts because I can.  And it's cheap on my end.  Worth the effort?  Undoubtedly not on a driver but in a performance application, I’m just going for anything that can have a potential benefit whether it's a measurable gain or not.

Lorena, Texas (South of Waco)



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Forum Post Counterweight By PWH42 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Per the 1956 Thunderbird parts Illustrated manual, there was either a... By paul2748 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post My shop manual shows the counterweight and the spacer.All of them... By PWH42 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post The cam shaft counterweight balances the mass of the the fuel "cam"... By Doug T ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Here's the picture in the manual - it does say "or"
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By paul2748 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Paul, That is a different picture than what's in my 56 manual.Mine... By PWH42 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Paul: If you want a counterweight, I have some used ones. Cheap.... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post John, I appreciate the offer,but obviously it's something that isn't... By PWH42 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Doug. You said it well. The lack of the counterweight... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, Reading your posting on camshaft balancing, and having been... By Dennis K. ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Add to what Dennis asked, what effect does an aftermarket cam with... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Dennis. You’re right in that I’m correcting for the dynamic and... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post John, Ditto on your last two sentences! By PWH42 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted: I have a theory on why the FE cams are worse at the back and the... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Hoosier Hurricane (2/4/2008)[/b][hr]Ted: I have a theory on... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, The amount of imbalance was 1 oz Static, what actual force... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post When looking at the system, camshaft balancing can get complex. What... By Dennis K. ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Dennis, That makes the point, to me at least, that the... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, Are you asking the maximum amount of imbalance specified for a... By Dennis K. ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post You guys make my head hurt, I guess I am just not sharp enough to keep... By Cactus ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted: Do you remember the Shaller 1/4 speed camshafts of the '60s?... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Hoosier Hurricane (2/5/2008)[/b][hr]Ted: Do you remember... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Since in another thread we have talked about a new head design, why... By Cactus ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post This thread has addressed the imbalance in the cam, and I think,... By Cactus ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Hoosier Hurricane (2/5/2008)[/b][hr] Ted: Do you remember... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Dennis, NO! There isn't enough constants there to calculate... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank: I saw a dragster run at the Nationals with one, I seem to... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post All I can add to that is nobody goes quicker or faster unblown than... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I always wondered about the reasoning behind the Shaller 1/4 speed... By DANIEL TINDER ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Pegleg, thanks for the reminder, but I think I will go ahead and use... By Cactus ( 17 Years Ago )


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