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By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Ugh, so I recived the "good" carb core today, well guess what, the ventrui bra_ss tubes got split and cracks on them, at 125 dollars he better refund my money, if not I guess I can go file a claim with paypal. what a waste of time.



on the duraspark, the dist's pickup coil magnet is cracked so I order another one, I think it should arrive tomorrow, a little wiring and it should be all good
By MoonShadow - 19 Years Ago
Give up and get a Holley or Edlebrock! I bought my 600 Holley double pumper from a factory rebuilder in Long Island for around $200. Thats the polished one too! It will get you on the road. Then you can look for the 4100 at your own pace. No pressure! You should be able to get either carb used locally. Try the speed and race shops they often have carbs just laying around collecting dust. Chuck
By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
HoLun - so speak up - why the facination with the Autolite carb? You can find guys that will recite a bad experience with virtually every kind there is - and good ones too. I like Holleys and they've found their way onto every carbureted vehicle I ever owned. The "new" check valve set-up they use to protect the power valve has made my life a lot better and I no longer can change a P-valve in the dark with a flashlight.  
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Well, theres a few reasons why I like em...

its ford Tongue

seem less common to find them under the hood, all I see are holley and elderbrock/carters

they are ultra simple, and, one piece main body/fuel bowl design, and I really like the box look BigGrin

the effcient annular booster venturis, I tried the carter afb, even with the messed up timing, the autolite. 2 and 4 barrel seem to work better, I have not try holley tho.



I order some parts from CFI world, they guarantee the venturis are in top shape, so I can rebuild the messed up core I got from my friend.



Hope the Ebay guy will refund, else I have to file a claim... so much trouble... he didnt even brother to put in the description that the top cover is not from the same carb, its from a big car carb with the hot air idle valve, and thats missing, with epoxy filled the hole where the valve was... sure it looks clean, but its a clean piece of crap... gotto be real careful on ebay.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
so, I open a compalin with paypal, and i try to settle it without paypal since it i think they charge a fee.



so we sent a few msg, and on the last one he made it so that it is my doing that the epoxy is on the airhorn hot air idle compensator valvle holes, and the crack on the tubes. what am I to do now, I feel sick to my stomach, may be I should go knock down his door and throw the carb right in his face.









on the Igniton, almost done wiring it. gonna fire it up later tonight.
By MoonShadow - 19 Years Ago
Holun,

If you get ripped off by this guy please post all of his EBAY information so we can avoid him! When its settled, if he screws you, be sure and notify EBAY and PayPal. Chuck

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Ok Finally finished the Duraspark conversion!BigGrin



The used 302 dist. came with the 10L and 15L tab on the mechnical advance thing, I used the 10L for 20 total advance, and I set my initial advance to 18, low end improved, a lot, doesnt seem to ping, I am in texas, and running a 195 thermostat, I smell raw gas at the exhaust at idle, definity too rich.



when I researched this conversion, they say the module cant take heat very well, so I mounted the module inside the car, should last a life time? lol



it was simple, but time consuming since I didnt get the factory connector, so I have to put fully insulated quick disconnects on all the wires, I also purchased similar color wires for easy hook up and removal incase the module go dead, I also got a spare module on hand just incase as suggessed by Steve.



I used a 1.82 ohm Accel ballast resistor for the coil, the 700 .75-1.5 ohm mallory resistor is variable I am not sure if this is the cause of death for my old pertronix units so I use a static value one for my duraspark.





I filed a claim on paypal already, will see what happen.

heres the item in question http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=190004453093&ih=009&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT



I dont think 65 mustangs 4100 came with hot idle air compensator valves, and you cant see it, but the pbuttage and screw holes are filled with epoxy. the outer bra_ss tubes are cracked, this bastard says that I filled it, and I cracked it.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So I got a parts carb from CFI world, got some good booster ventruis and secondary shaft and plate, so I slap the 66 mustang 1.08 4100 carb I got from my friend(not the ebay one I got) together and it runs great, the off the line stumble is 100% gone, and it pulls alot harder. Vacuum reading seem to be more stable too. but the idle is still rough, Its idling on the transfer ports, since the idle mix screw doesnt do squat when I turn em. Do these engine idle smooth when they are new? I never driven any other old car like these. or maybe because of my cam? anyways I am not too consern since it seem to run fine.



I am happy with this carb, but when I look at the epay carb sittin in my garage, it ruin my day all over again Sick


By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
HoLun - are you still running a Holley 8.5 power valve? And it isn't leaking due to a backfire? On the Holley carbs (they must be pretty similar in function to the Autolite), I've had to put some 5.5 valves in before, just to get the mixture screws to work. Pulses of low vacuum will dump enough fuel out of the P-valve enrichment circuit to provide an unregulated idle mixture. The 600 cfm 4160 Holley's come with a 6.5 that usually works well enough with stock cam timing and idle speed - but when I put an "RV" cam in my old jeep truck - it wouldn't answer the idle screws until I lowered the P-valve to a 5.5. It then takes a little bigger primary jets to transfer smoothly to cruise.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So I changed the powervalve to 4.5Hg and drove it some today, no difference, still cant set idle. I cant find any vacuum leak either, it doesn't really matter now it idles and drives with no problem what so ever. Going to keep the 4.5 in there since it might save me some gas BigGrin



It drives like a new car now, except when Ideling, I can't belive switching to a smaller 4100 can make such a huge difference, its like a donkey turned into a race horsew00t



the Engine still smokes a little idling, I changed the oil yesterday, its the first 500mi oil change. the rockers ticks like a oldschool sweing machine, I can hear it over the glasspacks when crusing, well, my car's insulation is all gone anyway. are these engines this loud when they were new?





anyways its drives better then I expected, going to hook up relays for my headlights, I am using H4 bulbs on the outside and the seal beam inside, I rig them up so they are all 4 dual filament bulbs, all on at the same time. and the light switch gets hot... and I still cant see anything at night. so hopefully with the relay system, it can provide more energy to the bulbs and shrine brighter.
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
Holun,

You might try double gaskets under the fuel discharge nozzle assemblies.  It's not unusual for these assemblies to become warped due to being overtightened with that single screw that holds them in place.  You can also try just making the gasket out of thicker material in the event you don't have some extra gaskets laying around.  The idle feed holes are located on the outside ends of these assemblies so if there is going to be any leakage due to warpage, it will happen first at the ends.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
I put the extra gasket on the clusters, no effect. weird.
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
I'm assuming that you can screw the idle mixture screws all the way in without the engine dying or having a noticable effect on the idle quality.  I'd suggest pulling the carb back off of the engine and looking at the position of the primary throttle blades in relation to the idle transfer slots in the primary throttle bores.  This is a good time to also check that both blades are positioning themselves the same in both bores.  Unequal or mis-synchronized blades will cause their own set of problems.  If you have more than 1/6" inch of idle transfer slot exposed with the blades in the idle position, then you'll likely need to get the primary throttle blades closed up some more without killing your idle speed.  There are two easy ways to go about this with the first being to just open up the secondary blades a bit more to allow the primary blades to be appropriately closed up.  If the secondary blades are already opened up a significant amount, then you can try drilling a 1/8" hole in each primary throttle blade to allow the blades to be closed up some more.  These holes allow some extra air through the carb without having too much idle transfer slot exposed.  If this helps but does not completely cure the problem, then you can step the holes up another size but you'll need to be caustious in doing this modification as its difficult to reverse.  This is not an unusual modification when installing a camshaft that causes the idle speed manifold vacuum to drop off.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
where do I drill? as far away from the idle and transfer ports as possible?
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So I drilled some holes on the throttle plate, first I drilled 1/16 ones, away from the idle and transfer slots, idle screws have no response, then I open them up to 1/8, vola, it works, if I turn the screw all the way in, the engine will die.



no change in idle quality, I fiddle with the idle screw where it gets the best vacuum and highest rpm,.




By Ted - 19 Years Ago
HoLun (7/23/2006)
where do I drill? as far away from the idle and transfer ports as possible?

The ideal location for these holes is half way between the throttle shaft and the edge of the throttle blade on the idle transfer slot side of the blade.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
so I did some more fine tuning today, adjusting the seconday action, on 1st gear hauling ass, I can feel the seconday comes on suddenly at about 2500rpm, for what I understand if the spring is too weak (opening too soon)it should graduly gets stronger as the rpm climb, but this is sudden surge of power, 2nd and 3rd seem like a smooth transition, I dont feel a sudden power surge nor bog then surge from opening too soon.



I already put a 2 step weaker spring in there, but in first gear, the sudden secondary action didnt change, comes on at about 2500rpm, I guess the 1st gear load is not enugh to have the seconday come on at below 2500 for a smooth transition?
By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
HoLun  - are you still down at the 4.5 power valve? Now that you've got the idle screws working, the extra enrichment you get from the valve might be needed to make the engine accelerate harder?
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
well I guess it doesn't matter now, I just destoryed this carb by putting it on and removing it 1 too many time, I cracked the carb flange, now I need another one....
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So I brought myself a Holley 470 CFM Truck Avenger carb, I notice right away, the idle is much much much smoother.



now I need to tune it better, since its calibrated for a truck.



anyone know what color secondary spring I should be using for a 3700lb car?



also how do I adjust the accelerator pump? the instruction didn't mention anything about that
By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
HoLun - if you have a handfull of the Holley secondary springs to sort, grab the black painted one. It has about 7 active coils and is .035 diameter wire. I usually just put the stiffest one in there for starters and this is it. With a caliper you can sort them down from this one by wire size.

The accelerator pump linkage at front left needs to have some play - a slight clearance between the spring wrapped adjustment screw and the pump lever at idle - like .010/.015. The pump cam on the throttle linkage has a couple of positions usually marked one and two. If you don't like what "one" does try the other. 

It think the idle transfer slot / blade position will be like your Autolites.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
I'll try some more tomorrow.





I think I know whats making my car does that weird 2500rpm power surge, when I use my timing light to check mechcanical advance, the timing suddenly jumps to max while I up the RPM, i think one of the weights is sticking or something, gonna pull the dist apart tomorrow.



I also swapped out the power valve with the 8.5, the one came with the carb is 2.5" Hg, made a difference there. but the vacuum drop to like 11 when fully warmed up, so I am going to use the 7.5 instead.
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
The accelerator pump is adjusted with the primary throttle in the wide open position.  The arm should be within 0.010"-0.015" from being bottomed out.  What you're doing at this point is insuring that you're not bottoming out the accelerator pump diaphagm.  If you set the accelerator pump with free play in the idle position, then you'll likely have a flat spot or stumble.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So I got my carb set up pretty good, I think I need to fine tune the accelerator pump.



do you think the 30cc pump is big enugh for my application?

when should I use a 50cc pump?



I want to know because when I accelerate from a stop somewhat hard, from about 1500rpm i can spin the wheel for like half a second then it catch and slowly accelerate.



it have the orange cam on it now, do you think more fuel earlire will make the trie spin more/ accelerate harder? or 50cc pump will help on this?



also when I pedal to the metal from a stop at regular get going rpm, like about 1500, the acceleration feels like it pulls then not as hard then keeps pulling.



I dont have different cams on hand, and will need to order some, if a 50cc pump wont be too much then I'll order that instead.
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
My experience with 50cc pumps is that they are typically too much fuel for most Y's.  I'd suggest trying larger sized shooters before playing with the pump cams.  If your pump shooter is a '25' (0.025"), then going to a '31' (0.031") would be the next logical progression in shooter sizes.  Experimenting with larger shooter sizes will give you an idea if additional pump shot through a cam is worth playing with.

Primary fuel jetting could also still be on the lean side contributing to your 'flatness' in performance when the tires quit spinning.

As an FYI, my roadster engine likes as little pump shot as possible and this is with a single plane intake manifold.  Using larger shooters and cams slowed down the 60' times.  And the engine also likes the black secondary spring which opens the secondaries as late as possible.  Lighter springs slowed down the overall et.

Hope this helps.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
the carb came with a .035 shooter, should I try .040 one?
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
Shooter sizes are the just about the easiest thing to change up on the Holley carbs so it's definitely in your best interest to experiment in that area first.  I'd suggest trying both larger and smaller shooter sizes just in case you haven't yet optimized the carb jetting.  Lean jetting would need a larger shooter size while rich jetting would prefer a smaller shooter size.  You might also look at the phasing of the pump cam to see if it's in the optimal position.  You'll notice on the side the throttle lever where the cam can be installed in one of two positions so that the actual timing or phasing on the pump cam can be altered.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
so I ordered some nozzles, and a set of assorted cams. will tune more when they get here.



on the pump cam settings, If I want #1 and the cam have 2 holes, I just line up the top hole to #1 correct?



not the bottom hole to #1?



I am asking because theres only very slight difference of position just by looking at it, like both of the holes are almost lined up on the cam and on the throttle bracket.
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
The pump cam positions are adjustable to compensate basically for the throttle opening or an increased idle speed to insure a full range of movement to the accelerator pump diaphragm.  The larger the camshaft and in turn the required increase in idle air through the primary throttle blades, then the more important this tuning feature becomes.

Here's the text from the Holley website giving their explanation on the pump cam and adjustments.

"Once a pump nozzle size selection has been made the accelerator pump system can be further tailored with the pump cam. Holley offers an assortment of different pump cams, each with uniquely different lift and duration profiles, that are available under Holley P/N 20-12. Switching cams will directly affect the movement of the accelerator pump lever and, subsequently, the amount of fuel available at the pump nozzle. Lay out the pump cams side by side and note the profile differences. This little exercise may help to better explain the differences between the cams and their effect on pump action. Installing a pump cam is straightforward. It’s a simple matter of loosening one screw, placing the new pump cam next to the throttle lever and tightening it up. There are two and sometimes three holes in each pump cam, numbered 1, 2 and 3. Placing the screw in position #1 activates the accelerator pump a little early, allowing full use of the pump’s capacity. Generally, vehicles which normally run at lower idle speeds (600 or 700 RPM) find this position more useful because they can have a good pump shot available coming right off this relatively low idle. Positions #2 and #3 delay the pump action, relatively speaking. These two cam positions are good for engines that idle around 1000 RPM and above. Repositioning the cam in this way makes allowance for the extra throttle rotation required to maintain the relatively higher idle setting. Pump arm adjustment and clearance should be checked and verified each and every time the pump cam and/or pump cam position is changed."

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Hmm I don't know if its the problem, I run a 195*F thermostat in the car right now, is it possible that it is too hot for the Y block? I am using the 200 on 180 off fan switch, I notice just before it completely warms up, it seem to run better, I might switch out to the 180 thermostat tomorrow and the 185on 170 off switch, and see if its the problem.



and today, after I finished some test pulls. 5000rpm + and heading back to the house, after a stop sign the oil light came on, but my aftermarket sunpro electric gauge is showing normal pressure. the pressure switch I have on is auzone's "duralast" brand, I am pretty sure its the switch, as the wiring seems fine and the switch is Teeed off the pressure sender for the gauge., haha I am not going to buy duralast stuff again.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
did some more research on thermostats and operating temps, and decided the 195 thermostat stays.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
so I have nothing to do this weekend so I took the suggession that was left in the old fourm, to advance camshaft by 4 degrees, I did this twice, first time I made a mistake, the rollmaster have advance key way on the crank gear, 2 degrees each, I retard the crank 4 degrees, that gave the cam 8 degrees of advance, I didnt realize it till I have everything back together, coolant and all... lets just say I was not happy Blush





anyway today I put it in the right one, 2 degrees crank retard, so 4 degrees of cam advance, compression up from 125 to 150 psi, but, it runs like crap, I don't know whats wrong with it, I think it sounded like the ignition timing is too retarded, I timed with to 20 BTDC with the timing light. any suggessions?
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
20° BTDC initial timing?  What's your total timing?  I'd suggest 8-12° initial and 36-38° total as a starting point.  Did your idle speed increase significantly where you had to slow it back down?  If so, then there's the chance that your vacuum advance to the distributor was activated at idle with the old cam timing and with the new cam timing it's not.  You may want to see if this is a player and hook up the vacuum to the distributor to a 'direct' source on the carburetor and see if your old idle characteristic returns.

Just food for thought.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Total is 40BTDC the vacuum advance is not activated at idle.
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
Just couldnt get it to run right at advanced cam timing, Guess my engine dont like advanced cam timing. so I put it back to origional.



my be the 4000lb car with 3 speed stick and the highway geared rearend prevent me from having what i wanted lol.



mybe when I put the T-10(off a 66mustang 289) will help.



anyone know the ratios on the T10 and the 61 3speed? --- Found it T10-H 2.73 first, the 3 speed is 2.78, I guess that wont help on dead stop accel and burnouts hahah



the accelerator pump nozzles and cams is here I guess i will tune them tomorrow after my job interview..
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
HoLun,

Were you using a degree wheel and dial indicator to verify that moving the crankshaft sprocket was moving the cam timing the desired number of degrees?  Although the increase in cranking compression up to 150 psi sounds right, there's the chance that the cranking compression was already past its peak and had come back down to 150 psi meaning too much camshaft advance.  Idling characteristics are normally improved by advancing cam timing which leads me to believe that there is more going on in your particular circumstance than meets the eye.  Did you happen to check the idle manifold vacuum while you had the camshaft advanced and if so, how did that value compare to the old manifold vacuum value?

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
I dont have a degreeing kit, so I cant check exact degrees on the camshaft.



when the cam was advanced, the idle vacuum was about 1"Hg Higher, and flucturated less, but cruising vacuum seem to dropped about 2".
By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
did some more tuning, back the timing down to 16btdc, delay the advance curve max advance from 2500rpm to 2800rpm, played with the accelerator pump nozzles, and cams, changed from .035 to .031.



dont seem to change much. when doing quick revs in neutral, it have a slight hiccup at about 2300rpm, the vacuum gauge shows thats when the vacuum starts to climb back up, only hiccup at WOT revs and hard acceleration at low gear.



changing the accelerator pump cam seem to effect how bad the hiccup is, but I can't eliminate it. any thoughts?
By Ted - 19 Years Ago
For trying to resolve a flat spot or hesitation in the acceleration, I'd suggest trying the extremes in fuel shooter sizes to first determine if the engine is either getting too much fuel or not enough.  Pump cams will not have the immediate effect that the shooter sizes will.  I've seen those instances where too much 'shooter' fuel will create a hestitation just as well not having enough.  I'd suggest trying the #25 shooter size first just to get a feel for what the smallest shooter size does and then if necessary, work from the other direction.  If using a #25 shooter helps, then work with the pump cams to further reduce the accelerator pump shot. 

Other players also includes the fuel float level, primary fuel jetting, and idle mixture.  All these also affect fuel delivery at the intermediate rpms.  The secondary side float level is also a player as that affects the 'fixed' idle mixture on the secondary side which ultimately affects the primary side.  And don't forget about vacuum leaks; these will make you run in circles trying to work around them and a vacuum gauge will not necessarily pick those up if they're small.

By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
Holun - Did you get a timing card with the cam you put in your engine? I couldn't find any mention in the threads - but I did go through pretty quickly. I'm curious whether it is symmetrical or has a "Dual Pattern" with exhaust timing modifications. If its symmetrical, I was thinking that you might take off the right hand valve cover and find the approximate "split overlap" point of the cam by following the #1 rockers with a couple of dial indicators. Set the lash equal and then with the exhaust closing and the intake opening, find the spot where the lift is equal on both lobes. That point should have a definite relationship to the TDC mark on your crank dampener. Advancing the cam as Ted suggested - should have worked. Over-advancing it would make the engine feel like it belongs in a tractor - massive torque and not want to rev at all. Retarding it makes the engine struggle to get up to speed then smooth out as the revs rise. You said it ran bad - which was it?

Another carb tuning item you might fool with, is the spring on the accelerator pump actuator. Crushing it down to "coil bind" isn't always best - if it has some travel, the "cushion" continues to stroke the pump after movement of the throttle stops. This has a relationship to the shooter size, but it does offer a little different behavior of the pump shot. 

By Hoosier Hurricane - 19 Years Ago
AZ28:

What is that fuel filter on your engine?

John

By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
Geez guys - we'll never get Holun's car to run .....................John - look at the old Forum first page of tech - "FuelFilter". I put a web address in there for a new one. The filter unit is on the motor is an AC Delco GF62 and I got the upper housing off ebay for 5 bucks. The tin can lower came from a "rummage sale" at NAPA - it usually goes on one of the Ford truck fuel pumps (among other spots). I recently saw a bowl/housing that was all printed up in red with the Ford "FOMOCO" service stuff and someday.....I'll get one cheap. The housing has two 5/16 fine thread attachment holes in the top and I drilled one through and out to 1/8 pipe so I could put the fuel pressure gauge on there.

The breather is from Moroso (Jegs 710-68811/15) and it was the only pleated element, shielded style I could find that was advertised to fit a 1-3/8 vent tube. The only drawback is that it says "MOROSO" on the top - and its nothing personal, there are Moroso parts on virtually everything I've built - but I wanted a "no-name" shiney part there. My machinist buddy says no worries he'll make me a little finned disc to fit on top to match the T-bird valve covers (that I have been polishing on for an eternity). "No worries" is usually a lunch bill or two.

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
The cam card says intake opes at 28* closes at 64* exhaust opens at 64* closes at 28*

when i say it ran bad, it feels like its missing all the way to redline, I dont feel any massive torque, but it doesnt want to rev.



I lash the valves when the cylinder is TDC on power stroke, would this have caused some problems?



I opened the seconday a little to get it idle with minimal amout of idle screw, donno if that will cause that hiccup at 2300rpm, I dont know if at that point its too rich or too lean, it sound like an exhaust backfire, I wish I have an air fuel meter to help tune this thing.



I set the flow level higher, and the off the line low rpm part throttle take off stumble is complete gone.

but i think i set it a little too high, feels like its loaded up sometimes.



I am going to mess with the carb some more.
By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
Holun - I dug out some of my stuff on cam design/selection and interpreted the numbers you gave me as best I can. The cam specs you listed are from a symmetrical cam - both lobe shapes and timng durations are the same - they are simply offset on the shaft to provide the same ramps to both valves at an offset angle. (They are cheaper to construct too.)

Per the spec's info you gave us to work with -

The duration (at whatever lash the spec was written) is 272°

The overlap is 56°

The lobe centerline angle is 108° - is this correct? Knowing the gross cam lift and rocker ratio would be good.

This would be a nice cam in a bigger engine (like a 350 with bigger valves) - but in your 292 may not be fun to live with - except at the drag strip - and you will need more gear in the punkin. If its installed right on the split overlap, two things will help right away - decrease the overlap angle (by increasing the lash clearance setting) - and Ted may best know what your limits can be - and decrease the tendency of the engine to lose vacuum at the overlap. Do you have an open spacer under the carb - or one with individual holes to isolate the halves of the dual plane intake manifold? If the spacer is open the overlap is "stealing" a ton of vacuum - and you need venturi vacuum to make a street engine (and carburetor) run well. This type of engine needs a 4 hole spacer with individual openings to make the cylinders fill. 

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
I fixed the 2300rpm hiccup and other related bog at wot, the stupid me went and open the secondary throttle plate when not needed, close the throttle plates up and now I can spin both my rear wheels at the stop sign for a bit, good thing there were no cops around haha. the spin is not perfectly smooth, I guess thats from wheel hop because of the leaf springs.









I have a 1/2" plastic spacer, its a 4 hole design, with the "torq-swirl" slot cut it in to spin the air?? it was not too expansive so I got that one.





by more gear u mean something like 3.75 or 4.00 rear gears?







the cam specs that on the card are:



In.opens 28 closes 64

Ex.Opens 64 Closes 28

Duration at .050 224* both in and ex

In Valve Lift .446 Ex Valve lift .446

lash is .018 for both



from claysmith engineering
By GREENBIRD56 - 19 Years Ago
Holun - What are your plugs looking like at this state of tune? Hope you haven't had to use too much fuel to get things going. A little extra idle speed can help some with a lumpy cam - have you increased it a bit?

The old school way of picking a rear gear for a street car - the tranny low times the rear end ratio must equal "10" or so - more depending on the gross vehicle weight. With your 2.78 low and a 3.73 the total ratio would come up to 10.37:1. This isn't for a hardcore street racer -but a stoplight bandit that goes cruz'in.

If you want her to dig out - for a start - the right rear spring preload should be:

Engine starting line torque (ft-lbs)  x total gear ratio (like the 10.37:1 above) divided by the distance between spring perches on the rear housing (in feet). This result is a weight that needs to be biased onto the right rear to counteract the tendency of the axle housing to rotate around the driveshaft. If the engine torque when you dump the clutch is 200 ft-lbs and the ratio is as above - and the spring perches are 4 ft apart - the result is about 520 lbs. You can tell - by simply sitting on the right rear fender that this can really settle the spring a bunch. Traction bars are nice - like slappers or the Shelby style links - but they won't do it all, something has to happen to bias the weight.

Two things that have a really positive effect on this - move the battery to the right rear behind the axle (put it in a sealed box) and put a spacer above the left front spring. Both of these work pretty good on a street car without upsetting the ability to drive it around. After you do this you may find that you need to either get the RH rear spring re-arched or (like a Mopar muscle car) add a leaf. 

By HoLun - 19 Years Ago
So the Engine is about 1000 miles since the rebuild, I did the go 50 mph and let the engine slow the car down to 20 thing a few time, in 3rd gear and in 2nd gear, the there still a little smoke from burning oil coming out of the tail pipe after it idle for a little bit, the plugs are coated with chunks of burnt oil, I wonder if it is because the rings are not seated yet or the umbrella valve stem seal not doing its job...



the piston rings are total seal gapless second ring, with moly top ring.





on the battery relocation, I have my toolbox at the passenger side in the trunk, I have also updated the rear with a traction-lok differential.







car gets tail happy on smooth road on turns in 1st gear... anyone know if its possible to powerslide with a car that 4000 lb and with a 30:1 manual steering box? lolBigGrin