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By MAD-EVAN - 17 Years Ago
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Hi. Im new to this site and to y-blocks in general. I have a 1959 Fairlane Galaxie 500 four door. The guy I bought the car from said that the engine was seized up. Also the valve covers were left off so all the springs and things are rusted up pretty good. So in the deal he also gave me another 292 that came out of a truck. Now I know some things need to changed from the truck configuration to the car setup. So with all that said, I have been told that it would be a good idea to get different heads due to the compression difference the truck motors had versus the heads for cars. I was told that the ECG heads are the way to go. First, are these the heads that I should be persuing? Second, if I do get my hands on the particular heads, where should I go to get the springs and such? Should I get springs from a 312? Any guidance in this situation would be greatly appreciated. If you have any other suggestions on hopping this up a bit that would be great too. The only down side is money is a factor here. Thanks again in advance.
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By John F - 17 Years Ago
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Mummert will have valve springs.
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By John F - 17 Years Ago
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I would suggest you also buy spring retainers and valve locks as well. It is cheap insurance.
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By carl - 17 Years Ago
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Take a look at numbers on the heads,they might be 113 posted heads.big valves but lower compression Carl ,
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By pcmenten - 17 Years Ago
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I think the heads you were talking about were the ECZ-G heads found on 1957 and 58 vehicles. If that were my car, I'd be trying to salvage that engine. It would be more work but I'm into the performance of the vehicle.
The truck heads actually have good looking combustion chambers but you'd have to zero-deck the pistons to get the performance out of the engine. If you can find rebuilt heads on eBay for a decent price you could do with most heads that show up; ECZ-C, ECZ-G, -113 and others. I see them from time to time and they're often reasonably priced.
Let us know how it goes.
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By Hoosier Hurricane - 17 Years Ago
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The '59 heads, if original, should have casting marks 5751 on one end and 113 on the other. They are desireable heads. The numbers are under the water ports on the intake side of the heads. Top end rust should not be a big deterrent to rebuilding them. New valves, springs, retainers, and keepers are readily available. There is no difference between 292 and 312 springs except for the dual quad and supercharged 312s. If you use the stock cam, then stock springs will suffice. If you go to a performance cam, then better springs and pushrods are a must. Let your cam supplier specify which springs to use. John in Selma, IN
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By MAD-EVAN - 17 Years Ago
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Thanks for the info everybody. I think I will be putting a bit of a performance cam in the engine. Nothing crazy though. Im not looking to get the front tires off the ground or anything. I just want to have a decent engine to move my four door down the road and fly by an import with the big mufflers. The car will by no means be a hot rod, so a little go power would be nice. So you guys think I should either check ebay for rebuilt heads or see if I cant clean up the heads on the old car engine? Do you guys think its worth the time, money and effort to try and put the 312 crank into my engine? Or is that not the direction I should go for what Im trying to accomplish here? Another question I had was if the blocks were the same between the truck and car engines? Im told they are, but not sure. Thanks again in advance. I just have so many questions on the subject. Hope I dont ask too much.
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By bird55 - 17 Years Ago
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Looking at the big picture here, I read that you have two yblocks but nothing to prove that one is a 312 as I read it.
BUT NO MATTER you can learn how to check for a 312 on here And on Mummerts site. If you find out you have the more common 292's that's still ok. AND in some cases better, I now think.
But regardless You STILL have two engines to work with, both having potential.
If it were me I would forget about heads for now - BTW, everyone here has given good advice on that subject.
I would concentrate on a short block. No matter how you chose to build it and learn from it, if done right the first time it will be of good value to use or sell to fund the other. Heads come later, new, used high and low compression and soon aluminum. Anyone of them could be bolted on a perfectly balanced and machined yblock. And to also add that could then go in ANY car. A Freshened Yblock is going to be the strong foundation. In Fact if you just took one engine and completely rebuilt it stock, cam and ALL, AND BALANCED the rotating assembly-You would have a great result of ADDED horsepower for the money without aftermarket add-ons. (See articles on Balancing) good luck and welcome to yblocks.
An Engine like this prepped properly could support about anything we've thrown at it so far from what i've seen.
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By MAD-EVAN - 17 Years Ago
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I think there is some confusion here. I know I dont have a 312. I know that both of my engines are 292s. As for concentrating on a short block. That is done already. It is on a stand in the garage. My question about concerning a 312, was if anybody had put a 312 crankshaft into their 292. I was told that doing so would be a good way to get a little more performance out of a 292. The reason Im asking about heads is because I am trying to get all the parts together to finish building my motor. There is no question about what car it could go in or anything. It is going into my 1959 Fairlane. Im just looking for advice on which heads people would recommend or what to use to rebuild my old ones.
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By bird55 - 17 Years Ago
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Ok, well I apologise I guess I didn't read that in any of your post as far as having a 312 to get a Crankshaft as a donor.
Anyway, yes I've done a 312 crank in a 292 and many other on here have too. This is where I learned all about it. You'll need a machinist who understands your final goal with a ford yblock and of course a 312 crank. You can also find that info on here as to how to identify a 312 crank.
As far as heads go-what everyone said before still applies. Get the g heads if possible or wait and get the Aluminum heads soon to be released.
Any valve springs needed are relative to the Cam you choose to run with your combination.
If you do a search for "Dyno Results" in "Street" you can find what I did with the help of others.
I could not get the link to work for it direct?
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By pcmenten - 17 Years Ago
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Evan, which heads are on the 292 in the car, and which heads are on the truck engine?
The car might have the 113 heads. The truck might have the C1TE heads.
For help finding the head ID, look on www.ford-y-block.com and navigate to the head ID page.
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By MAD-EVAN - 17 Years Ago
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Thanks for the additional info. I just re-read my last post. I hope that didnt come off as pissy or anything. I am just trying to soak up as much knowledge on these engines as I can. I dont know anybody in my neck of the woods that has ever built a y-block. So all the info I get is from here, the H.A.M.B., and from Mummerts site. I have printed off just about everything I have found about these engines. I am not sure if anybody on here is from the Seattle area or not. If so do you know of any machine shop in the area that is familiar with y-blocks? I have asked at the shop we send stuff to from the dealership and they just gave me a ballpark estimate on head work of $230 plus parts for each head. Does that sound right or is that a little steep? Again, being my first engine I have ever built, Im not sure if thats an average price or not. Thanks again for all of your help on the subject.
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By Park Olson - 17 Years Ago
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Don't mean to hi-jack this thread,,but in regards to same; I recently bought a '59 PU for various parts, the heads have 5750/471 casting marks ,,,haven't pulled the covers, hoping for a nice day to wash it down some,, the block is B9AE-F, what have I got? The truck was a '59, but with a canister filter, which may have been changed, of course. Thanks in advance
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By pcmenten - 17 Years Ago
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Park Olsen, The heads are big-valve but low compression. They are sometimes sought out for engines that have blowers.
I think that block is arguably the best of the y-block engines. The crank is probably the normal cast crank, but it's worth checking because you sometimes get mixed and matched parts when engines get rebuilt. Also, check what rods you have.
I bought a 59 B9AE engine with a C1TE head on one side with low lift rockers, and a C3TE head on the other side with 56 or 57 high lift rockers. It had been rebuilt. Rebuilt oddly.
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By MAD-EVAN - 17 Years Ago
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So I just got home and checked my "truck" heads. Turns out the are ECZ-G heads. So I checked the block and found ECG-6015-C. So by what Mummert's site says, it looks like it is a 1957 truck engine. All this time I have been looking to find the heads that were already in my garage. Go figure, huh!? However, the stuff I found on Mummerts site says that the engine I was told was a 292 looks to really be a 272. So now Im wondering if I am going to have to use the block that is still in the car. Does anybody know what I have to do with these heads since they are for a truck engine 272 instead of a 292? The info about these heads says that the intake valve is 1.92", the compression is 8.6, 69cc, 190 H.P., and had a 2 barrel carb. Do I just need a valve job, new seats, and better springs do get these up to par for a 292 with a 4 barrel?
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By charliemccraney - 17 Years Ago
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Have hard exhaust seats installed so you can run on unleaded gas with no wories and at least have them checked out while appart. Other than that, there's nothing you really need to do to get them up to par. They don't care what displacement is under them, what carb is over them, or what vehicle they are in. The G-heads are excellent for naturally aspirated applications. A valve job, and hard exhaust seats are good ideas. Go with the cam manufacturer's recommendation for the springs. Here's a link to Al's Dyno Results post. http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic1046-4-1.aspx?
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By PF Arcand - 17 Years Ago
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Evan: There is some confusion there. The Heads aren't truck, they are 57 car heads, and as Charlie says, very satisfactory for most applications. The block may be a Dearborn cast 272, car or truck. Take off a head and check the bore. A 272 will be about 3.625" or 3-5/8". A 292, will be 3.750. However most 272s can be bored to 292 dimensions if you wish. A check of cylinder wall thickness would be a good idea however, before having it bored.
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By PF Arcand - 17 Years Ago
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Park: the block is a 59-60 292 likely, but some in Mercs were 312s, & painted greenish from the factory. The 471s may be able to be milled quite a bit, to get compression up, but I'll let someone else clarify that point. Or if building a performance engine, pop up pistons could be used...
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