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By Missouri Mike - 16 Years Ago
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Hi y blockers Not a y block item (I don't guess) but while scrolling through e Pay I saw this and became curious as to what it came out of and what it might fit. This would be one of many, many things I've never heard of before. Sorry, I forgot to get the item number. DUH!!! Any thoughts?????? Missouri Mike Washington,MO
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By Missouri Mike - 16 Years Ago
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That Deganham 4 spd would be ePay item #200304456365. Thanks Missouri Mike
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By Doug T - 16 Years Ago
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The Dagenham 4 speed was made in Ford's plant in Dagenham England. In USA it was used behind the 144 and 170 CID six in Falcons, Comets, and Mustangs. I had one in a Comet 2 dr sedan with bucket seats and a console that was also used in Falcons. As far as I can remember it had satisfactory ratios for the motor.
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By Missouri Mike - 16 Years Ago
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OOOK!!!!! I had a buddy in school that had a 62 or 63 Falcon convert 6 cyl with a 4 spd and I guess it was one of these. Thanks so much!! An Enlightened Missouri Mike
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By mctim64 - 16 Years Ago
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My buddy Pete had one in a '66 Mustang in Highschool, worked real well with the six.
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By Missouri Mike - 16 Years Ago
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Were they used behind a 300 or 240 six or was the 200 six the limit?? Thanks again Mo Mike Washington, MO
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By mctim64 - 16 Years Ago
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I may be wrong, but it is a little thing and I don't think they would put it behind a big engine in a truck.
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By pintoplumber - 16 Years Ago
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My dad had a '64 econoline with a 4 speed on the column. I'll bet that was the transmission in it. It was a 170 ci. Only one I've ever seen with a 4 speed on the column.
I broke the shift lever off of it. When we had it into the ford garage to get it replaced, the mechanic drove the shear pin into the windshield. They had to replace the windshield.
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By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
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I had a 78 Mercury Monarch with a 6 cylinder and a 4 speed in which 4th was overdrive and 3rd was direct.I think that was this transmission.
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By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
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Paul, What you had wasn't the Dagenham, but a modified top loader. The OD was actually third gear, third was direct or the fourth gear in a coventional 4 speed.
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By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
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Frank, You confused me with this.3rd was direct and 4th was overdrive.You are probably right about it being a modified toploader.We had the car for a couple of years,but I never had occasion to even look at the transmission.
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By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
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Paul, The easiest way I can explain that is to send you to the David Kee site for ford toploaders. There's a section called "Imposters" and you'll see pictures of what I'm talking about. In a nutshell, it appears as though Ford needed an OD tranny quickly, so they modified a Top Loader to do that. The third speed gearing was reversed so that it drove the output shaft faster than the input, then the lever was flipped upside down so you shifted from second, to what used to be fourth, or direct, then when you pulled the lever back into Fourth, you placed the tranny in OD (formerly the third gear position). Clear as Mud?  Sounds like a great idea, except the transmission lost a lot of torque capacity and had lousy ratios. It was designed for 130 hp 302's (pardon me, I mean 5 liters) or 100 hp sixes. Be careful buying a used top loader that you don't get one of these by mistake. They're not worth more than a $100 or so. Don't ask me how I know this.
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By PWH42 - 16 Years Ago
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I didn't drive that car much so I had forgotten about the backward shift pattern.I remember it now that you mention it. I won't ask how you know they are practically worthless,however,your last sentence sounds like the voice of experience.
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By pegleg - 16 Years Ago
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I won't ask how you know they are practically worthless,however,your last sentence sounds like the voice of experience. YUP!
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By PF Arcand - 16 Years Ago
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The Toploader overdrive (1977-78 only) is described along with other "old school" overdrives in an article in Hot Rod Deluxe, Sept 2008. They claimed it was satisfactory in moderate use, in say a light Hot Rod, ?. It can be identified one way or the other by usually having the word "Orion" cast on it. It also has a 4 bolt mounting pattern only & a small bulge in the case on the passengers side. H.D.Toploaders have an 8 bolt pattern. The article covers overdrives quite well, although many of the units shown in the photos were extremely cruddy which made identifying them difficult... A safety note; if new at driving an O.D., if you park the car on an incline, just in gear & in O.D mode, with no parking brake on, it will roll away!
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