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By 46yblock - 15 Years Ago
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Today I was trying to find out some particulars on a Holley carb for a 1958 Mercury with 430 engine. Noticed that they had the same firing order as Y's. I wonder what the 11:1 CR monster would sound like with modified exhaust!
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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If no one else is going to answer I bet it would sound pretty good. Just ask this guy.  http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/pages/Houston-DFW-Area/Gizzle-Hopper-Racing/138235196688
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By Ted - 15 Years Ago
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Mike. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the firing order for the MEL engines was 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. That would make it the same as the FE’s and the early SBF’s. And also the same as small and big block scrubs as well as many of the later model Buicks, Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles, as well as small and big block Mopars if you convert the side for side cylinder numbering sequence. No wonder all those engines sound the same. On a sidenote, the 2011 5.0L Mustang engine that was just released does have the same firing order as the Ford Flathead V8, LYB's, and Y-Block.
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By Y block Billy - 15 Years Ago
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Ted, I think the scrub firing order is 18436572, don't ask me how I remember that but it was the first firing order I ever remembered as a teen even though I never owned one. guess it was working on friends stuff.
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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Billy, A Chevy is only numbered differently. If you convert a Chevy to the Ford numbering sheme (or vise versa) you will find that most of them share the same firing order. And then you have the 351 and I think 302 H.O. which use a different firing order which is still different than the Y and Flathead.
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By 46yblock - 15 Years Ago
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Ted (8/26/2010)
Mike. Correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the firing order for the MEL engines was 1-5-4-2-6-3-7-8. That would make it the same as the LYB’s, FE’s and the early SBF’s. And also the same as small and big block scrubs as well as many of the later model Buicks, Pontiacs, Oldsmobiles, and small and big block Mopars. No wonder all those engines sound the same. On a sidenote, the 2011 5.0L Mustang engine that was just released does have the same firing order as the Ford Flathead V8 and Y-Block.Ted, the reference I saw was over at Bill Kashisian's. He has a library of old manuals and we were looking through one for carb data. It showed the 1958 Merc. 430 with 15486372. There was a special note in a margin saying that the 1958 Lincoln 430 firing order had changed, but I dont remember what the Linc. was. Lincoln and Mercury F.O. different on the same engine in the same year  . Wish I could look at it again. We both chuckled at the idea of mechanics getting messed up on the big engines in '58. I owe him a payment so will take another look at the next opportunity.
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By 46yblock - 15 Years Ago
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Well, never mind  . We scoured through 3 or 4 manuals, but couldnt even find a firing order for '58 merc 430 listed. Only the Lincoln. So Ted no doubt is right. Maybe it was some kind of "Y-warp" in space due to sun spots.
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By aussiebill - 15 Years Ago
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46yblock (8/27/2010)
Well, never mind . We scoured through 3 or 4 manuals, but couldnt even find a firing order for '58 merc 430 listed. Only the Lincoln. So Ted no doubt is right. Maybe it was some kind of "Y-warp" in space due to sun spots. Mike, i can see how easy it would to be confused with these 2 engines, 430 mercury and lincoln, this was from google search, i can only confirm my 60 MK5 430 is latter fireing order. regards bill. 1958 with 3 X 2 Barrel Carbs
Max Brake Horsepower - 400 @ 4800
Max Torque - N/A
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.5
Firing Order - 15486372
1959 with 4 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 350 @ 4800 rpm (375 for Lincoln)
Max Torque - 490 @ 3100 rpm
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.1 (10.5 for Lincoln)
Firing Order - 15486372
1960 with 4 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 350 @ 4800 rpm
Max Torque - 490 @ 3100 rpm
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.1
Firing Order - 15426378
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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If you go to U-Tube and google PSMCDR 2007 you'll find a match race between my F code and Brian Steffina's 430 '58 Merc. The merc won an award for the best restoration at the Detroit Show in 2007 and is presently on display at Floyd Garret's Muscle car museum in Sevieville, Tennessee. It's gorgeous. Royce Brechler has (or had) one also.
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j1R5bHkeT8 bla bla bla
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By GREENBIRD56 - 15 Years Ago
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So......from the video we conclude???? Franks outfit has about the same horsepower as the 430 Merc. The Merc weighs more. Frank was quicker on the tree (that day).
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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I think the Merc was a couple pounds heavier' I can find out. He's run a 14.0 flat at 100 mph with that barge. I was impressed! I wonder why we heard nothing about those cars back in the 50's, or at least I didn't. The F code probably does make about the same power as the Merc, Thanks to the John's (Mummert & Feistritzer). We both run three speed Column shifters, the old guys in the crowd went nuts. Anybody under 40 couldn't figure out what the hell we were doing!
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By 46yblock - 15 Years Ago
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aussiebill (8/27/2010)
46yblock (8/27/2010)
Well, never mind . We scoured through 3 or 4 manuals, but couldnt even find a firing order for '58 merc 430 listed. Only the Lincoln. So Ted no doubt is right. Maybe it was some kind of "Y-warp" in space due to sun spots. Mike, i can see how easy it would to be confused with these 2 engines, 430 mercury and lincoln, this was from google search, i can only confirm my 60 MK5 430 is latter fireing order. regards bill. 1958 with 3 X 2 Barrel Carbs
Max Brake Horsepower - 400 @ 4800
Max Torque - N/A
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.5
Firing Order - 15486372
1959 with 4 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 350 @ 4800 rpm (375 for Lincoln)
Max Torque - 490 @ 3100 rpm
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.1 (10.5 for Lincoln)
Firing Order - 15486372
1960 with 4 Barrel Carb
Max Brake Horsepower - 350 @ 4800 rpm
Max Torque - 490 @ 3100 rpm
Stroke - 3.70
Bore - 4.30
Compression - 10.1
Firing Order - 15426378
Thanks a lot Bill. So I'm not going crazy, yet. Frank's result against one of these is impressive indeed.! The Turnpike Cruisers, along with the '57 Ford hot dogs would have been on S. Hillside when I was walking to and from grade school. I recall a '59 Lincoln, the '64 plymouths (later on), '57 olds, '57 and '58 Mercs, and our baseball coach drove us to and from practice in a '56 Ford car. Actually every car of the era frequented the street, because down at the end, 1 mile or so, was a burger stand. Some of the cars even had chains dragging to make sparks at night. It looks like the closest I will get to a '58 Merc 430 is the 4V Holley carb due for arrival. Won it for $1, but could only narrow the era down to pre '59, hoping it was a '57 carb. Found out after winning about it being for the '58. Does anyone have a guess about the CFM? Only curious, as this will probably end up as a personal mini-museum piece.
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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pegleg (8/28/2010)
We both run three speed Column shifters, the old guys in the crowd went nuts. Anybody under 40 couldn't figure out what the hell we were doing!I'm impressed! I learned to operate a manual trans. on a column when I was sixteen, but to get times like that? Sweet!
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By charliemccraney - 15 Years Ago
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Though I didn't learn on my truck, it is my first vehicle and it had column shift when I got it. It only went into 2nd and 3rd. Some of us under 40 know what's going on.
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By John Mummert - 15 Years Ago
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I was pretty certain that a Lincoln Y was 15486372. Looked it up in an old Motor's Manual and it does use the early Flathead & Y-Block firing order not the 15426378. I had no idea that Ford changed the 430 firing order after the first 2 years.
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By RB - 15 Years Ago
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Lincoln Y has same firing order as Ford Y, And MEL has the same as FE 15426378 No change from 58 up to 67.. Somebody's book is incorrect. 58 Merc shop manual confirms.
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By pegleg - 15 Years Ago
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charliemccraney (8/29/2010)
Though I didn't learn on my truck, it is my first vehicle and it had column shift when I got it. It only went into 2nd and 3rd. Some of us under 40 know what's going on. Charlie, I suspect you and Tim, along with most of the folks on this site are exceptions to that statement. Most of the audience at the muscle car races are there to see the Hemi's and GTO's or LS-6's run. You'd be amazed at how few had ever heard of a 312, let alone an F code. I've been asked everything from how do you get a 390 to run that fast to why I could run a Scrub motor in a Ford! the first year I went the guy at the gate, who was not a kid, asked me if I was in the right place. He said this is a race for "Musclecars, ya know" Not a car show! Said I hate to take yer money and have you be embarrased. Told him I thought I'd be OK. I was matched with a 390 Javelin 4 speed. Beat him 3 straight. John went the next year with his F code Bird`. Embarrased a 69 Shelby 500. I almost had Royce talked in bringing his Ti-Power thunderbird, but he never got there..
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By mctim64 - 15 Years Ago
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[b]pegleg (8/29/2010) the first year I went the guy at the gate, who was not a kid, asked me if I was in the right place. He said this is a race for "Musclecars, ya know" Not a car show! Said I hate to take yer money and have you be embarrased. Told him I thought I'd be OK. I was matched with a 390 Javelin 4 speed. Beat him 3 straight. We didn't do so well at Bonneville this year but it's stories like this that make being a Y nut fun.
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