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292 Crank in a 312 block?

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I may have the need to put a 292 crank in a 312 block. Besides the obvious main journal size difference, solvable by spacers, the major problem seems to be in the rear main seal. Any one done this?
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You've got me scratching my head, Don!

While you can retain the 312 pistons, you'll have to change the connecting rods.  Happily, the piston pin location is the same for both the 312 and the 292s.

You mentioned using spacers behind the 312 main bearings.  With 0.126 inch difference in the main journal diameter of a 292 vs. a 312 crank, I'm wondering if the bearing tangs will seat adequately in the block and bearing caps.

And, as you asked, what to do with the rear seal?!?

I'm going to follow this thread, Don.  Unsure


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Please dont muck up a hard to find 312 block.
There are lots of T Bird guys who really need that 312 block.
Finding a 292 is an easy task.Where are you located?I"ll buy the 312 block.

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I have a build ready 292 block and excellent crank I would be happy to trade for that 312 block , my 57 bird would also enjoy as well


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D Woodruff (8/17/2014)
I may have the need to put a 292 crank in a 312 block. Besides the obvious main journal size difference, solvable by spacers, the major problem seems to be in the rear main seal. Any one done this?

WHY would you be thinking of doing that? you only end up with ,050" 292. Which can be achieved by boreing 292 to 312 bore .050"


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Making up the difference between the cranks with main bearing spacers?  That's a new method I haven't heard of before. Please explain!


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PF Arcand (8/26/2014)
Making up the difference between the cranks with main bearing spacers?  That's a new method I haven't heard of before. Please explain!

Paul,got us befuddled hasnt it.  its just a stupid idea, theres no other way of saying it! . The machining costs and uncertainty of it all is unrealistic.




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PF Arcand (8/26/2014)
Making up the difference between the cranks with main bearing spacers?  That's a new method I haven't heard of before. Please explain!

Paul.  It use to be a common practice to put a 350 scrub crankshaft in a 400 scrub block which required either a special production ‘thick’main bearing set or the use of bearing spacers to allow the smaller main journals to work in the larger main bore block. This was the old 377 cubic inch combination that was touted for its big cylinder bores thus freeing up some head flow. This combination was doable in part because the rear main seal diameters were similar.  The aftermarket now provides a small journal 400 cylinder sized block which has greatly simplified that particular combination.

Doing the same for the 312 block using a 292 crankshaft isn’t feasible in part due to the rear main seal diameters between the two engines being so dissimilar.  2.625” rear seal diameters for the 272/292 cranks and 2.750” seal diameters for the 312 cranks.  I am ending up with an abundance of 312 blocks without crankshafts so I can see where this is going which is simply the need to use up those 312 blocks.  The problem with main bearing spacers besides the fit being critical is the heat dissipation being compromised which in turn creates the potential for a premature bearing failure.  While I can see a solution for putting a 292 crankshaft in a 312 block, it is cost prohibitive considering the number of 292 blocks that are still available to work with.



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Thanks  Ted. That confirms my fears.


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