Profile Picture

1970 Boss 302.

Posted By 55charliebird 6 Years Ago
You don't have permission to rate!
Author
Message
55charliebird
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)Supercharged (600 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 4 Years Ago
Posts: 192, Visits: 39.2K
Does this engine need ZDDP additive?  It is .30 over and rebuilt.
Replies
Florida_Phil
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 285.6K

Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil's high zinc formula provides race-level protection for high performance engines on the race track or the highway. Its exclusive chemistry is designed to reduce friction and enhance power. It is among the most popular engine lubricants in all types of racing, including paved and dirt ovals and drag racing. It is formulated for race engines, but compatible with passenger vehicles too.      
http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/8a03a8a7-d9ec-45b0-9e6f-de70.jpg

http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/82ad85c1-6def-4eb4-a085-3dd2.jpg

Tedster
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 3 Years Ago
Posts: 513, Visits: 153.3K
As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci, extended oil drain by time intervals are not recommended. It may because they do not include the detergent/dispersants package that normal motor oils have.

It's my understanding that these additives don't make any distinction between zinc or sludge or carbon on components. This is apparently one reason "break-in" oils have very little in the way of detergents. I'm not poor but VR1 pencils out to something like $140 annually (+ filters.)
Florida_Phil
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)Supercharged (2.9K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 Years Ago
Posts: 1.2K, Visits: 285.6K
Lots of opinions on this topic.  I use VR-1 because it's readily available and is compatible with solid lifter engines.  I change my oil when it looks dirty.  This means I change it often.  No science about that.  I order VR-1 online because it's much cheaper than the local auto parts stores and there is no delivery charge. I would not use synthetic oil in a YBlock.  I use it in all my modern cars.  There is a place for those oils and it's not in a 60 year old engine.  Just my opinion for what it's worth.


http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/uploads/images/82ad85c1-6def-4eb4-a085-3dd2.jpg

Dave C
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)Supercharged (250 reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 5 Years Ago
Posts: 101, Visits: 31.2K
Florida_Phil (11/25/2019)
Lots of opinions on this topic.  I use VR-1 because it's readily available and is compatible with solid lifter engines.  I change my oil when it looks dirty.  This means I change it often.  No science about that.  I order VR-1 online because it's much cheaper than the local auto parts stores and there is no delivery charge. I would not use synthetic oil in a YBlock.  I use it in all my modern cars.  There is a place for those oils and it's not in a 60 year old engine.  Just my opinion for what it's worth.


Phil, I'm curious as to why not use a synthetic oil in a Y block after break in?

If I'm rebuilding it using a modern ring and hone according to manufacturers specs. Bearing material has no bearing on type of oil used, nor anything else. In fact because of friction reducers in synthetic I would think it would be the best oil to use. 
I personally use synthetic oil in my daily driver and race car, also plan to use it in my Y block when finished.
Just curious as to your opinion why not?

Dave 
Even VR1 which is being touted as the thing to use advertises friction reducers

Joe-JDC
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)Supercharged (2.0K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: Yesterday
Posts: 772, Visits: 22.5K
Carburetor engines tend to have fuel wash down upon start and warm up conditions.  Fuel dilutes, washes down the cylinder walls, and collects in the oil, which causes it to deteriorate quicker than fuel injection engines.  If you have a modern EFI installed on the Y, or a fresh build with good quality rings/cylinder clearances, then after break-in, a synthetic should work fine.  A good high capacity ignition system will help with more complete combustion process, and that helps with less fuel dilution in the oil.  Joe-JDC

JDC
KULTULZ
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 days ago
Posts: 1.8K, Visits: 306.3K
As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci, extended oil drain by time intervals are not recommended. It may because they do not include the detergent/dispersants package that normal motor oils have.


VR-1 is not actually a RACING OIL but an oil intended for old tech engines. VALVOLINE has different product(s) for a true race engine.

As for change frequency, an older engine runs dirtier than modern engines, hence the need for more frequent changes.

There are specialty oils for flat tappet break-in. You drop that after run-in and go with whatever oil you decide on.



____________________________

KULTULZ
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)Supercharged (4.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 2 days ago
Posts: 1.8K, Visits: 306.3K
But I can't buy it in Calif anymore and didn't find anyone who would ship it here either.


- CA EMISSION LAWS -



____________________________

Tedster
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)Supercharged (1.3K reputation)

Group: Forum Members
Last Active: 3 Years Ago
Posts: 513, Visits: 153.3K
KULTULZ (11/25/2019)
As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci, extended oil drain by time intervals are not recommended. It may because they do not include the detergent/dispersants package that normal motor oils have.


VR-1 is not actually a RACING OIL but an oil intended for old tech engines. VALVOLINE has different product(s) for a true race engine.



Valvoline considers it a racing oil and in any case it has long been used for that. They don't make any distinctions on the age of the engine, it's "3 months/3000 miles", again due to the additive package or lack of it.

They also sell a synthetic racing oil VR1, even more spendy, with a 500 mile oil change interval.
charliemccraney
Posted 6 Years Ago
View Quick Profile
Supercharged

Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)Supercharged (9.8K reputation)

Group: Moderators
Last Active: 6 hours ago
Posts: 6.1K, Visits: 442.9K
Tedster (11/25/2019)
As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci, extended oil drain by time intervals are not recommended. It may because they do not include the detergent/dispersants package that normal motor oils have.

It's my understanding that these additives don't make any distinction between zinc or sludge or carbon on components. This is apparently one reason "break-in" oils have very little in the way of detergents. I'm not poor but VR1 pencils out to something like $140 annually (+ filters.)


I was just researching this since I use VR1.  On the 540ratblog, https://540ratblog.wordpress.com many (maybe all, super long document that I don't care to read all the way through) of the oils he tested were sent out for analysis.  The VR1 has as much detergents/dispersants as any other street oil, more than some and less than others.  Mobil 1 5w30 is one that I saw that has less. Pennzoil 5w30 Ultra is one I saw that has more.  Both of these are definite street oils.
The VR1 test results, 10w30, had much higher zinc and phosphorous than Valvoline indicate that it should, https://sharena21.springcm.com/Public/Document/18452/18bdee61-0a7e-e711-9c10-ac162d889bd3/a61538b4-0cbd-e711-9c12-ac162d889bd1 so either Valvoline is providing incorrect information or testing was done incorrectly or the test sample was contaminated or something else so it is possible that the test results cannot be trusted.

On a related note, a youtube channel I watch recently did a comparison between a 70 year old can of Quaker State and modern Quaker State.  The canned oil had no significant difference in zinc and phosphorous, and no detergents.  Some caveats, it did not take into account any possible reduction in those due to extended contact with the can or chemical reactions / degradation taking place.  I'm not a chemist, so I have no idea if those are actual concerns but it's something to consider.  A lot of natural phenomenon can happen to something sitting on a shelf for 70 years.  https://youtu.be/-zHlxeu_yuM Test results start at about 10 minutes.






Lawrenceville, GA

Threaded View

Threaded View
Forum Post 1970 Boss 302. By 55charliebird ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post It doesn't need an additive, it needs a formulated engine oil. Maybe a... By KULTULZ ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post I built and raced Boss 302's for many years, Stock it has flat tappet... By Dave C ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil's high zinc formula provides race-level... By Florida_Phil ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci, extended... By Tedster ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post Lots of opinions on this topic. I use VR-1 because it's readily... By Florida_Phil ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Florida_Phil (11/25/2019)[/b][hr] Lots of opinions on... By Dave C ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post Carburetor engines tend to have fuel wash down upon start and warm up... By Joe-JDC ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote]As VR1 is "racing oil", they specify a 3 month/3000 mile oci,... By KULTULZ ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote]But I can't buy it in Calif anymore and didn't find anyone who... By KULTULZ ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]KULTULZ (11/25/2019)[/b][hr] [quote]As VR1 is "racing... By Tedster ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Tedster (11/25/2019)[/b][hr] As VR1 is "racing oil",... By charliemccraney ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post RE: OIL WITH ZINC: According to fellow bloggers, for a safe practical... By Tim Quinn ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post Where does WALLY-WORLD source it? Who is the refiner/packager? Would... By KULTULZ ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post It's sourced from the Cuyahoga and Kanawha rivers. It's skimmed right... By Lord Gaga ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post I use to use VR1 in my FE and would change when started looking dirty,... By 57RancheroJim ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post There's a whole slate of items out there in California that have been... By Tedster ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post There is a reason they call it the land of Fruits and Nuts. Long term... By 57RancheroJim ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]57RancheroJim (11/25/2019)[/b][hr] There is a reason... By Lord Gaga ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post Pshaw, we were better off when the Cuyohoga had an octane rating. By Tedster ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post I was once told that California is a case of liberalism gone insane. I... By MoonShadow ( 6 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote] A lot of natural phenomenon can happen to something sitting... By KULTULZ ( 6 Years Ago )


Reading This Topic


Site Meter