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DANIEL TINDER (2/11/2009)
mctim64,

Just out of curiosity; were you able to cam-grind the new linings to fit your drums? I can't find anyone in my remote rural area who still has that equipment. Doing it by hand is very tedious work. Saw an old brake grinding machine for sale on ePay not long ago, that I would have snatched up if it had been close enough for pick-up.

We still have the equipment in our shop and yes I always "Arc" my shoes, we also have the tools to Drill, counter sink, and rivet linings, I was going to rivet my own shoes if all I could find was bonded.

I also wanted to add that the specs I have on the F100 show that a 118" wheelbase model had a payload rating of 1700 lb.

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You might try a garage that has been in business a long time, lots of them had brake equipment and still do.

Gary Ryan San Antonio.TX.

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mctim64,



Just out of curiosity; were you able to cam-grind the new linings to fit your drums? I can't find anyone in my remote rural area who still has that equipment. Doing it by hand is very tedious work. Saw an old brake grinding machine for sale on ePay not long ago, that I would have snatched up if it had been close enough for pick-up.

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Yes, it has a big stack of springs in the back and most of the weight is low in the bed. I didn't start this thread to scare you guys that I'm on the highway, the thing handles quite well and the brakes work great as long as the linings stay on. It is like anything with a load, you have to drive ahead of the truck and anticipate what the other guy is going to do.

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I wouldn't trade bonded linings for rivets and especially the bolts we used before rivets. But bonded linings do fail. Especially if you run on salted roads. If there is a small void where there is no glue, salt spray gets in and then the rust causes the lining to pop off of the shoe. This is quite common with our trucks.

Kenneth

Fredricksburg, Texas
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Maybe Tim's got springs on the back like mine. It's got 14 plies in the rear springs.

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mctim64 (2/9/2009)
Hi Y guys,



I was driving MY '58 to my storage facility to remove the Alaskan yeterday when I thought I had broke a ball joint in the steering, the thing made a horrible "clunk" sound and about pulled me off the road. When I got stopped and looked the whole thing over I could not see anything wrong, but I knew something was.



I got the truck home and pulled the wheels off, the brake lining on one side was in pieces and barely attached on the other side. w00tI did these only two years ago and didn't think anything wrong with bonded linings, I've used them on my sports cars for years, but this was before I put a 1900 lb camper on the back. You could see how hot they had got with the extra load, I'm not the kinda guy that rides his brakes and I always use low gears when descending a hill, but it is rivited linings on this truck from now on. Wink




Isn't putting a 1900 lb load on a 1/2 ton pick dangerous? Especially when its way above the centerline of the truck.

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pcmenten (2/10/2009)
Tim, I'm glad you were able to keep it on the road. I go for the Raybestos riveted shoes when replacing brake shoes. I don't mind the gouges in the drums made by the rivets when the break shoes wear out - more surface area for the next set of brake shoes.Wink

I've seen cooked, bonded shoes before but that's been on other people's vehicles.

The shoes that were on it were Raybestos bonded and the ones that I replaced them with are Raybestos riveted, I'm happy with these.

Steve, I wish I would have kept the cores I would have sent them up to you for the Kevlar linings. My ultimate goal is to find a '57-'60 F350 with duals to mount the camper on permanately.

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Tim-



It's no secret that a half ton is overloaded with that camper, water, gear, pepole, etc. You and I know that because we both carry an Alaskan camper on a truck with drum brakes that were marginal to begin with. The last time I put shoes on my '56 I had a set made up by Performance Friction in San Jose. Chris can make a set for you with the material being a Kevlar based product riveted to the shoe. They really make a difference in reducing brake fade. However- if we are to continue carrying these campers on 50's era trucks, I have come to the conclusion that making the switch to disk brakes is the ultimate answer. I realize the disk conversion comes with its own set of challenges, but the last time I came down Sonora Pass, I was convinced that there is just not enough safety factor to carry my kids in that rig with drum brakes.



I just rescued an extended cab 1990 F-250 4x4 HD with a ZF 5-speed. The disk brakes are the biggest I've ever seen on a pick up, and I expect it will carry the Alaskan with ease. It will also get me into places to camp and fish that were always a little dicey with the '56. I got it for next to nothing because the clutch slave cylinder is leaking and the trans/transfer case has to come out to replace it, so the guy gave up on it.



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Tim, I'm glad you were able to keep it on the road. I go for the Raybestos riveted shoes when replacing brake shoes. I don't mind the gouges in the drums made by the rivets when the brake shoes wear out - more surface area for the next set of brake shoes.Wink



I've seen cooked, bonded shoes before but that's been on other people's vehicles.

Best regards,



Paul Menten

Meridian, Idaho



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