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HT32BSX115
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I thought I'd try the drags!!! (or maybe I'll drive it in drag) w00t






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I agree with most or all above. Try some larger diameter tires. As for a high rear end, I have one, 3.00. 70 mph cruise is about 2500 or less. 3.00 is too high unless all you do is freeway driving. With non freeway cruising of 55 the rpm is only 2000-2100, too low and not efficient. At 3000 rpm I would probably be over 80 mph in danger of the cab blowing off Tongue. Someday maybeitwill bechanged to 3.25 limited slip. That would allow me to increase the tire diameter at1-2 inches to fill up the wheel wells and give better ride,which cant be done now.



Hi Mike! Now you have me worried.......I'm going to make sure that securely bolt my cab on!!! Hehe


I have 40" tires, 5.83:1 axle and E4OD transmission (0.70 OD). I expect about 2100 rpm at 60mph.!!

Rick, are you planning on some Interstate speeding with the F-600 BigGrin !

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.


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I agree with most or all above. Try some larger diameter tires. As for a high rear end, I have one, 3.00. 70 mph cruise is about 2500 or less. 3.00 is too high unless all you do is freeway driving. With non freeway cruising of 55 the rpm is only 2000-2100, too low and not efficient. At 3000 rpm I would probably be over 80 mph in danger of the cab blowing off Tongue. Someday maybeitwill bechanged to 3.25 limited slip. That would allow me to increase the tire diameter at1-2 inches to fill up the wheel wells and give better ride,which cant be done now.






Hi Mike! Now you have me worried.......I'm going to make sure that securely bolt my cab on!!! Hehe





I have 40" tires, 5.83:1 axle and E4OD transmission (0.70 OD). I expect about 2100 rpm at 60mph.!!

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peeeot (6/17/2009)
...I didn't think about calculating torque produced vs. torque needed.  How do I do that?  I knew there was a tradeoff between rpms and load, but specifics are vague in my mind...

Torque produced must always overcome torque needed, otherwise your engine will lose rpm's at full throttle, and eventually die.  High ratio gear sets shine at low speeds.  If you are happy with your engine's pulling power at a light, or if you pull a trailer, fine.  If you need more torque at low speed, gearing is the answer. 

My Service Manual says a '55 292 produces 280 ft/lbs of torque.  Let's just use this figure.  Std transmissions output 1:1 in high gear.  Now comes the fun part:

There is a direct ratio between gears and torque output.  At 3.0:1 gear reduction (your gear), rear wheel torque is trippled to 840 ft/lbs, which is great!  Want more torque?  A 4:30:1 gear produces 1,204 ft/lbs of stump-pulling torque (280 x 4.30 = 1,204).  That's nearly one and a half times more pulling power (in high gear) using the same engine and transmission.  The trade-off is engine speed.  Basically, if your car goes 70 mph at 3,000 rpm, with a 4.30:1 gear, your new engine speed would be ~4,300 rpm.

Now for First Gear:  A V8 3-speed tranny's First Gear has a ratio of 2.57:1.  Using the above figures:
*  Your 3:1 TIMES 2.57:1 TIMES 280 ft/lbs of torque= 7.71x280 = 2,159 ft/lbs.  (This is your maximum torque at the light to your tires).
*  4.3 X 2.57 X 280 =  3,940 ft/lbs of torque!  This gear nearly DOUBLED the engine torque for a great launch at the light.

Tire diameters can change ratios just like gears.  Your tire diameter calculations start where the gearing leaves off.  Racers use very large tires with rear end gears of 4:30 (commonly).

Another side advantage to using these high ratio gears, the rear ends tend to stay together.  If you had 600 ft/lbs of torque (or more) you can see where a 3:1 gear has a harder job transferring torque than a 4.3:1 gear.  The 4.3:1 gear spreads out the same torque over an additional 1-1/3 driveshaft turns than the 3:1 gear set.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I hope this helps you understand the difference in gear sets.

  - Dave

Royal Oak, Michigan (Four miles north of Detroit, and 12 miles NORTH of Windsor, Canada).  That's right, we're north of Canada.

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This doesnt add much that is useful to the thread, but today I was watching the rpms more closely.  They are 2150-2450 at 55-68 mph.  26 in. rears and 3.00 drive.  Also found out the rough idle at operating temp is the coil.

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.


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One of the Y-Block's greatest virtues has always been the good torque production at low RPMs.With a stock 272 or 292 a cruising RPM of around 1800 would be ideal.Notice I said stock.If the engine has modified cam,compression,valve size,intake,exhaust,etc.,then it's a different ball game.This low cruising RPM would need to obtained via a multi-gear transmission,not a low ratio rear gear or tall tires.The Y-Blocks originally ran the higher RPMs and got 10-15 MPG and few of them made it 100,000 miles without major engine work.Slowing them down 25-30 percent will nearly double the MPG and with modern oils triple the overhaul interval.

My 2 cents worth.

 

Paul,

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Charlie I have a Dana 60 not a 9 inch, so its completely different. Otherwise I'd just give them to you for the shipping. The truck is a F250 not a F100.

Michael

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Michael,

If you weren't so far away, we may be able to work out a swap. I might need a 4.56 to get mine where I want it for cruising rpm with my tall overdrive.


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My 61 F250  Unibody runs @ 2600-2700 @ 60 mph with 32" tires and with 4:56 gears, 4 speed.  When I drive it at 65  its right at 3000-3100 and get 12-15 mph at that speed it there isn't a lot of hill or headwind. But I am going to change it at some point down to tlike 3:73's to get some ore milage out of it and reduce noise/and engine wear.

                                                   

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My speedometer is 13.2% low.  I decided to get used to it when the speedo shop quoted $200 for a converter.

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.




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