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Adam,

It probably will not work out well. If that's all the stroke you want, get a 312 crank and offset it for a 2" journal. It will put you in nearly the same place.

What exactly are your intentions for this street driven truck? I was thinking you were building a drag motor or some high powered application of some sort. A billet crank seems unnecessary. There are quite a few running with cast cranks at 4-500hp or more with no issues.


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I think 2" journal is about all you can get from a stock crank before the oil holes start running off center. Like Charlie asked why, several members have cast cranks in race motors with no problems.

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It really depends on how you are going to use or how many cubes you want.

If you want big cubes, you need to go with the billet crank, as a cast crank offset ground gets really weak when ground smaller.   The 292 forged steel truck cranck can be welded up and ground, but the welding increases the chance of breaking greatly.

I broke a forged steel crank at the track, but it had been welded and ofset ground.  Ruined ever part of the motor including pulleys, pan, ati balancer, heads, aluminum timing cover, aluminum water pump, and split the block in have down the center.  It did last almost a year though.

A 312 crank should work fine if you stay away from Nitrous, blowers and manybe dragstrips.  A manual transmision and good slicks may have contribute to breaking parts as well.  

For most people and offset 312 crank would last forever, especially with an automatic, until you jump up to the next level of performance or want big cubes.

The weakest part of a Y-Block is the rods, do not ever use stock rods if plan to make any power at all.  Mummert has a drop in perfomance rod that is very economical for312's.  Much cheaper than destroying an engine every year.

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my thought was to use a supercharger and wanted to beef bottom of engine as much as possible and add some stroke. talked to verne the other day on phone and told him i would be interested in one of his blocks if he did them, so i figured i'd buy good crank and bottom end parts  
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By the way, what are nascar rods for a Y?

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not for a y they are pankyl rods from a nascar were in a windsor but they are 6.2 long and billet so i figured i could use them in this 56 project im starting. just trying to figure out all the y block stuff never built one and this is first one i have owned 
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feadam (4/6/2012)
if i take a set of nascar rods i bought can i turn a used steel crank to 1.85 rod journal and if i do how comprimised is crank just for street driving in a 56 ford truck im building thanks adam 

As Glen brings up, the rod journal oil hole creeping towards the edge of the journal is just one problem to watch for when offset grinding those cranks.  Another problem to watch for is breaking into the oil hole at the rod journal filet or radii when grinding the journal to the smaller diameters.  If you have a variety of crankshafts to pick from, then looking at the rod journal oil hole locations in detail can help you pick out a crankshaft that will offset grind to the smaller sized journals with less chance of problems.  Here are some past discussions going into more detail on the filets in particular. 

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic31049-3-2.aspx

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic61281-3-1.aspx

http://www.y-blocksforever.com/forums/Topic7173-5-2.aspx

 

And here are some links regarding offset grinding Y crankshafts in general for more stroke.

Crankshaft options

Crankshaft filet radii

Offset grinding for more stroke

Using a 312 crankshaft in a 292 block

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so if i go with a billet crank and the 1.85 rods what is max stroke before i hit cam or something in bottom of block
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I don't know if a "max" has been found but Ted built a 4" stroker. Since you are determined to use a particular rod, the max will be dictated somewhat by that rod, it's outer dimensions, and center to center length. There will be a minimum compression height required for the pistons, which will be custom as well, but I'm not sure what that is. If you know the rod dimensions, maybe Ted can give you an idea about what stroke is possible with it.


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If the stock rods are the weakest parts,are there any non 312 rods that are better than others? Any year better than the others?

that might help explain why 2 of the junkyard 292s I've picked up have mangled rods in them. I'm using one of them as a mockup empty block because the block is really trashed,and I had to sawzall some of the rods to even get them out.

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