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'59Edsel
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Okay guys, I removed the valve covers today and these are my observations: In video one you can see an overall view of the engine running. To me it sounds like the noise if coming from the number 4 cylinder. Video One: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjZTtvZn-UIn video two you see a bit of oil coming from the number four area, but not too much from the number 5. Video Two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1e37hOkgnoA few photos:       In this last one, the nut holding this oiler down was loose. This is also the area I think the valves are most noisy.  Let me know what you guys think. And also any advice on what to use to clean this area out.

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MoonShadow
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You are getting some oil to the rockers but its flowing real well. What is your mechanical expertise? Looking at the residue in the head I would recommend pulling the rockers off and cleaning them inside and out. Oil flows up through the head and into the rocker shaft from there it feeds to the rocker arms. The remaining oil comes out of the tube at the end of the rocker assembly and back into the engine. I didn't see any flow out of the tubes. But I can see you are getting some oil to both sides of the engine. I could see a fairly steady flow onto the tops of the valves and the push rods. It looked like the pushrods were getting oil ok. If you can take the shafts off they have a small press in plug in each end. These are available at some parts stores. You can knock these plugs out to get to the inside of the shafts. Clean them thoroughly along with the oil feed hole at each rocker location. Then clean out the feed holes on rocker arms. While you are at it it wouldn't hurt to clean the oil feed holes that come up through the block. One of them makes a dogleg turn at the block so you can't really pass a cleaning wire through it. Get what you can and then try a shot of air into the holes to clear any garbage left behind. Clean the head area and make sure the return holes are clear. Reassmble and test. There are several articles here on adjusting the rockers just do a search for them. Hope this helps, if I've missed anything there will be someone else to point it out. Chuck Shaft plug conversation and part nrs here: http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic80265.aspx?Keywords=shaft%20plugand a good article on valve adjustment here: http://www.y-blocksforever.com/tech/html/valvelash.html
Y's guys rule! Looking for McCullouch VS57 brackets and parts. Also looking for 28 Chrysler series 72 parts. And early Hemi parts.
  MoonShadow, 292 w/McCulloch, 28 Chrysler Roadster, 354 Hemi) Manchester, New Hampshire
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HoLun
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Is it me or does the rocker stands looks like they are loose? looks like they are actually moving in the video

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MoonShadow
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Hey HoLun where have you been? Havn't seen you here for a while. Chuck
Y's guys rule! Looking for McCullouch VS57 brackets and parts. Also looking for 28 Chrysler series 72 parts. And early Hemi parts.
  MoonShadow, 292 w/McCulloch, 28 Chrysler Roadster, 354 Hemi) Manchester, New Hampshire
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HoLun
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Yeah got into the gun hobby took a break from the car hobby hahah, and then i went to antarctica, now that i am back and getting the fairlane going again, sorted out most of the engine stuff, dailed in my holley 450, the thing is running like a new car, just doesn't look like one. and to the OP, I'd take both rocker assy off, dissamble and clean, recommand marking which rock goes where and reassamble back the same place. hopefully its only clogged at the rocker area not the passages in the head and block. and of course everything have to be tighten down properly before you can make correct lash adjustment. infact if anything else, tighten the rocker stand to spec and see if the noise die down. not liking how the rocker stand is acutally moving when the engine is running...

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MoonShadow (4/14/2013)
You are getting some oil to the rockers but its flowing real well. What is your mechanical expertise? Looking at the residue in the head I would recommend pulling the rockers off and cleaning them inside and out. Oil flows up through the head and into the rocker shaft from there it feeds to the rocker arms. The remaining oil comes out of the tube at the end of the rocker assembly and back into the engine. I didn't see any flow out of the tubes. But I can see you are getting some oil to both sides of the engine. I could see a fairly steady flow onto the tops of the valves and the push rods. It looked like the pushrods were getting oil ok. If you can take the shafts off they have a small press in plug in each end. These are available at some parts stores. You can knock these plugs out to get to the inside of the shafts. Clean them thoroughly along with the oil feed hole at each rocker location. Then clean out the feed holes on rocker arms. While you are at it it wouldn't hurt to clean the oil feed holes that come up through the block. One of them makes a dogleg turn at the block so you can't really pass a cleaning wire through it. Get what you can and then try a shot of air into the holes to clear any garbage left behind. Clean the head area and make sure the return holes are clear. Reassmble and test. There are several articles here on adjusting the rockers just do a search for them. Hope this helps, if I've missed anything there will be someone else to point it out. Chuck Shaft plug conversation and part nrs here: http://forums.y-blocksforever.com/Topic80265.aspx?Keywords=shaft%20plugand a good article on valve adjustment here: http://www.y-blocksforever.com/tech/html/valvelash.html Thank you, I will do this. Any suggestion on what to use to clean all the residue out? HoLun (4/14/2013) and to the OP, I'd take both rocker assy off, dissamble and clean, recommand marking which rock goes where and reassamble back the same place. hopefully its only clogged at the rocker area not the passages in the head and block.
and of course everything have to be tighten down properly before you can make correct lash adjustment. infact if anything else, tighten the rocker stand to spec and see if the noise die down. not liking how the rocker stand is acutally moving when the engine is running...Thanks, I'll make sure everything gets numbered, cleaned and torqued the way it should be.

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MoonShadow
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With the cleaners we have available today its mostly scrape and wipe. Once you get the heavy stuff off some cheap carb cleaner will help finish them off. You will want to plug the holes around the push rods and oil drains (at the bottom, each end of the head). Its preferable not to get the junk you clean off down into the lifter valley. Do you have an old Motors Manual or similar book for the torque spec etc? It would be a big help if you did. Chuck
Y's guys rule! Looking for McCullouch VS57 brackets and parts. Also looking for 28 Chrysler series 72 parts. And early Hemi parts.
  MoonShadow, 292 w/McCulloch, 28 Chrysler Roadster, 354 Hemi) Manchester, New Hampshire
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Yes, I have the maintenance manual for my specific make and model. I'm pretty excited about this. I'll try to take lots of pictures and post them here.

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Okay guys, I made some progress today. Before I get into cleaning and alike, I decided to tighten things down and try her out. I tightened the rocker shaft support bolts down (They all were pretty loose compared to the torque spec in the book.) I started to torque them at 45 foot pounds, but got nervous and didn't want to experience a bolt breaking, so I ended up torquing them at 25 foot pounds. Should I bite the bullet and go all the way to 45? The book suggests 45 to 55.
Anyway... After I tightened things down, the rockers quieted down! Cool! But now that I know the whole assembly was loose, does that mean it was doing some kind of irreparable damage? Hope not. Guess I'll find out when I Disassemble... Here is a video of the results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEIaREehaaw

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HoLun
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45FT LB??!?!?!?! nonono these are like 14Ft lb for the rocker stands!! anyways I don't thing theres any damage done for being slight loose like it was, the better question is what else did the last guy who worked on it left loose on the engine.. seem to idle plenty smooth. I recommend getting the rocker shaft cleaned up, and see if oil will start flowing out the rockers again. I noticed a lot of blow by from the engine, the smoke from the valley, out the pushrod hole. good indication of stuck or worn rings. I recommend doing a compression check.

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