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Dallas area is being forced to use E-10. ....

You really do need to do a manual check for ethanol in the fuel to determine the real percentage content. It takes only ninety seconds to perform a check and the test can be performed with a homemade checker or one that is endorsed by the air craft industry. For Texas, most gasoline pumps simply say “May contain up to 10% ethanol” and that’s the generic disclaimer. Although I’ve come across as much as 30% ethanol at the pump, much of the time premium fuel does not exceed 5%. I’m still finding stations that have no ethanol in the premium although the other grades are pretty much consistent at the 10% levels. I'll add that ethanol does not like to be added to gasoline and as such, does not take much for it to separate.



It's my understanding that ethanol is added to gas at the point of wholesale distribution, i.e.; the tank truck driver calculates how much to add to his load. If so, this may explain the large variations found at the pumps. Add to that the fact that tanks at gas stations are never completely empty before they are refilled.
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Understood, Ted. I worked in anti-counterfeiting for a decade. Fuels were our biggest money maker. It's funny, when we tested E85 blends for supplying a "green" research race, we kept getting E10, E15, or straight gas. Octane ratings were all over the place too. We finally called up a blender and had some E85 mixed up so the race contestants could actually get some real E85.
Anyway, our local counties have long failed to meet fresh air standards. So I guess ethanol is supposed to magically make up for folks idling in traffic for hours a day. Columbus, Ohio had a cool approach in the late '70s. Their main drags had synchronized stop lights. Once you got synced up, driving the speed limit would get you green lights for miles and miles. Dallas suburbs actually had the technology but city officials deliberately did not synchronize the lights because "We don't want people using our city streets as a main thoroughfare." Whatever.
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Dallas area is being forced to use E-10. ....

You really do need to do a manual check for ethanol in the fuel to determine the real percentage content. It takes only ninety seconds to perform a check and the test can be performed with a homemade checker or one that is endorsed by the air craft industry. For Texas, most gasoline pumps simply say “May contain up to 10% ethanol” and that’s the generic disclaimer. Although I’ve come across as much as 30% ethanol at the pump, much of the time premium fuel does not exceed 5%. I’m still finding stations that have no ethanol in the premium although the other grades are pretty much consistent at the 10% levels. I'll add that ethanol does not like to be added to gasoline and as such, does not take much for it to separate.



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IIRC there was something posted at some interwebz site stating that the whole ethanol thang has come under legal fire?

Avgas is an option, but how deep is your wallet? There is a new avgas called 82UL but that's dropping the octane a bit much for a street engine unless you build it with low compression. And that would be like hiring a hooker to just talk!!!
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Dallas area is being forced to use E-10. I do not endorse that and do not subscribe to any real reduction in consumption nor pullution caused by the inclusion of ethanol.
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Here’s the direct link to the Carb Shop article.

http://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Ethanoluse.htm


I’ll add that premium fuel (91-93 octane) in my part of the country does not exceed 5% ethanol and with a little looking, I’m still finding premium without any ethanol. The 87 and 89 grades typically check out at 10%. That’s why I always recommend running premium fuel in any carbureted vehicles as it’s not for the octane but for the reduction in ethanol.



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What follows is buried in the thread 'fuel line type' that Rono started. IMO, information pertaining to the modification of older carburetors for the use of ethanol fuels is worth posting as a separate thread subject.
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Consider viewing the ethanol information presented on the web site sponsored by The Carburetor Shop LLC of Eldon, Missouri. It gets at numerous issues related to the use of ethanol laced fuels, specifically E-10 and E-15, in carbureted engines such as our y-blocks.

The article identified below gives specific recommendations for recalibrating before-ethanol-use carburetors to avoid the ethanol fuels causing engines to run leaner with the result that they run hotter. An engine running hotter than originally designed can have issues with cooling system effectiveness, engine 'hot-soak', and fuel system vapor lock to name a few that are cited.

Explanation is given of why changes are needed to the ignition advance and to older carburetors on engines now running E-10 or E-15 fuel. Specific recommendations are made for things like how much to increase carburetor jet sizes, changing float levels, changing out accelerator pumps and foam floats, the purpose in staking the seats of neoprene-tipped fuel valves, and the modifying of vacuum controlled metering devices such as economizer / power valves.

Web site navigation:

  • address... www.thecarburetorshop.com
  • categories at the top of the home page... toggle 'Articles'
  • page that opens... scroll part way down the page... under the heading 'General Information'... toggle 'Use of ethanol in older vehicles'
I haven't seen this info before...

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