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Kennykiwi
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I've just got my 292 back together after 18 months. No.2 was resleeved and a light hone for the rest. 3 new pistons and new rings for all. Cam was reground. new water pump, oil pump and fuel pump. Original 2 bbl carb rebuilt, put a modified electronic distributor from a windsor and new coil. Heads were crack tested and were OK. Block was hot tanked and crack tested OK. Used original rocker shafts and arms but had them thoroughly cleaned first. The motor had been seized and sitting for about 7 or eight years.
It has definitely been a journey to get this far but it is not over yet. Once I figured out the wiring issues it fired into life but after running it for 17 minutes it died. I had it up to 3500rpm to break in the camshaft. Once I got it going I did not want to switch it off for the camshafts sake. It wash running rough and I was using an old set of HT leads which I am going to replace because I suspect it wasn't firing on number 1.
I'm happy it ran, but unhappy that there are some major issues with gaskets not sealing. I only put gasket cement on the head side of the intake gaskets, but fuel was leaking out at the right rear so I will need to fix this. More worrying though, is that steam/water was escaping from between the Left rear head and block.
I'm gonna have to pull the head off so I'm thinking warped head although this was checked by the engine reconditioner when he crack tested it. maybe the bolts?? They were properly torqued and I'm sure their lengths are correct. I did not use sealant on the bolts - should I have done this? Can I reuse the head gasket once I start reassembling it? I can't see any signs of water in the oil, or oil in water.
Will I get away with the 17 minutes of camshaft breakin time? Are these all issues others have experienced if so what solutions did others do?
I also have issues with the carb and fuel pump leaking but I can sort these out later.
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2721955meteor
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retorqu the heads,are you sure the right bolts and did you clean the threads in the block. take them out 1 at a time and use a moly based lube on the threads. then retorque at 5lbs over spec. if you used moley past on cam when you assembled it will be. ok. big issues is to have the engine run correctly on initial start- up. damage happens when some are firing and others you have fuel washing the cylinders down. with stock springs new cam and new lifters, proper initial lube 10.30 oil cams do not need much of a breaking. blocks have plenty of oil flying around(rods ar drilled with squirt holes) so with light oil not much mor 1 can do. just my opinion.
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Kennykiwi
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Thanks, I'll be checking it tonight.
I'm trying to be calm and philosophical about it.
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Ted
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3500 rpms is on the extreme side for engine rpm during cam break-in. 2000-2500 rpms is a better rpm range to target for. While most camshaft break-in periods are twenty minutes, if there is a cam lobe/tappet failure happening, that starts right away. It may take twenty minutes for enough wear to take place to pick up on that but in many instances, 5-10 minutes of running will indicate if the cam has started to go away. In your case, simply check the valve lash before restarting. If there are no large discrepancies, then you are likely good to go.
As far as the leaky head gaskets, then insure that the two ‘long’ bolts for each head went into the top row at the ends. You didn’t mention if the head gaskets were steel shim or composition. I’ve reused composition gaskets before if they did not ‘tear’ upon disassembly and simply sprayed them with WD-40 before reusing. Sealer is preferred on both sides of steel shim gaskets while composition gaskets typically do not require any sealer.
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snowcone
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You said the head guy checked the heads but didn't machine them.
How did he check them?
Gary - 1958 Star Customline and 1940 Ford Deluxe Hotrod
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Kennykiwi
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snowcone (6/16/2014)
You said the head guy checked the heads but didn't machine them.
How did he check them? His comment was that they were Ok, so I took his word for it.
I do trust him, he has a good reputation.
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Kennykiwi
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Thanks Ted, I'm using Felpro composition gaskets. I will check the clearance as you say, that's a good point before I pull anything apart.
I'll definitely be checking the head bolt sizes again.
Cheers
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I reckon I would check the heads and the block deck with a straightedge and feeler gauge.the Fel-pro composition head gaskets will put up with a bit more out of flat than the steel shim gaskets but about .005" is all you can tolerate in any case.As far as the fuel leak around the intake I wonder if the intake is warped(does happen) or if the heads have been surfaced before and the intake doesnt fit now?
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Kennykiwi (6/16/2014)
snowcone (6/16/2014)
You said the head guy checked the heads but didn't machine them.
How did he check them? His comment was that they were Ok, so I took his word for it.
I do trust him, he has a good reputation. Sounds like to me, right or wrong kenny, you have little expeirence in engine building and i would suggest get some help reassembling top end. Assembly is important to precheck, recheck then assemble components then recheck again!
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Kennykiwi
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Yes I must confess I am a novice on the Y block, but have done a few head gaskets on jap motors with no issues, but I did check things. However, I now have the left side head off and realised that this was the side that had been resleeved on number 7 (i did say number 2 previously, my bad) and this side has been planed. Should I have applied anything to this fresh surface? I measured the head bolt lengths and they are correct (long = 4.32inch, the 3 short ones = 4.1inch) but I think I will replace these with new ones. I put a straight edge across the head and it seems OK to me, can barely slide a piece of paper under it. and the straight edge is perfect on the deck of the block. I will take the head down to the local engine shop to double check it. There was oil in the threaded holes of both head bolts at each end, so it's possible that this is a cause, although I did clean these before assembly.
The Felpro head gasket is intact, but covered in oil and water residue, what's the best way to clean it up if I am going to reuse it?
Before taking the head off I also checked the tappet clearance and they are good at .020. The up and down movement of each valve looks to be good as well. So I hope that means the cam is OK.
As far as the intake manifold goes, I can see where the fuel has leaked in several places so looks like I need to have it planed flat.
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