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I have an ECG9424-D aluminum Intake manifold and a List 1161-2 and a 1161-2AS carburetors that I would like to put on a 1956 Crown Victoria 292 ci engine. Any problems? Does anyone know where I can get the throttle linkages and the special manifold holddown washers?
Appreciate any help.
Mike
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The manifold will not clear the stock '56 valley pan. The '56 kits used a flat plate valley cover, 3/32 thick with the fill tube brazed in and the baffles brazed or welded in. '57 dual four setups had a valley pan with a recessed area under the center of the manifold. The stock '56 distributor will be extremely aggravating to get working properly with those '57 carbs. Better choice would be to use a '57 or later distributor, or aftermarket. Since it is going in a passenger car, the carbs can be mounted with the choke plates toward the front, thereby eliminating the need for the crossover linkage as used in T-Birds. Birds mount the carbs backward to clear the hood scoop. It shouldn't be too hard to fabricate linkage, the carbs work in unison, they are not progressive. Good luck, keep us posted.
John - "The Hoosier Hurricane"
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The intake manifold hold-down washers used by Ford with the 2x4 aluminum intake were oval in shape.
While these were unique to the '56 power pack and '57 'E' code dual quad set-ups, my understanding is that they were identical to the hold-down washers used on the '54 Ford 239 and the '54 Mercury 256 V-8s.
I hope this helps you to locate a set and avoid paying a ridiculous price. 
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John,
It is my understanding that these 1161 carbs were used on a 1956 Ford or Mercury car. I have a 1957 "E" Bird and the proper carbs are 2 ECJ 9510 AB for a manual (mine) transmission and 1 ECJ 9510 AA (front) and 1 ECJ 9510 AB (rear) for an automatic transmission. If that is true, shouldn't the standard 1956 distributor work? I am hoping to get a 1956 Crown Vic soon.
Mike
37 Chevy pick-up street rod
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57 Thunderbird "E"
66 Dodge Dart 383 ci
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AKA,
Thanks for the info. Any idea where I might find a set resonably priced?
Mike
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John,
Sorry, I left the list numbers out for the 57 "E" Bird carbs. The AA carb is list 1437 and the AB is list 1434. I have a modified valley pan that should work with the ECG 9424 D manifold.
Mike
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NoShortcuts (8/26/2014)
The intake manifold hold-down washers used by Ford with the 2x4 aluminum intake were oval in shape.
While these were unique to the '56 power pack and '57 'E' code dual quad set-ups, my understanding is that they were identical to the hold-down washers used on the '54 Ford 239 and the '54 Mercury 256 V-8s.
I hope this helps you to locate a set and avoid paying a ridiculous price.
On eBay Motors, use the search function to locate item 351142406444. The item is the manifold hold-downs that you're looking for. IMO, this is an example of a ridiculous price to pay for these clamps. _______________________________ IF you want to see what the '57 'E' passenger car dual quad carb connector piece looked like, this is a reproduction that is being offered on eBay. See eBay item 350969376159
As John said, you can make your own easily for much less.
a.k.a. Charlie Brown
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Rocketman, the '56 carbs would have EDB-C numbers. You are correct, the ECJ carbs are '57. The '56 kit included a vacuum advance and specs for setting the advance, so something is different than a single four advance rate.
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The internal vacuum circuitry used in the '57 ECJ-AA or ECJ-AB Holley 4000 carburetors that supplies the distributor vacuum advance canister of a '57 FoMoCo distributor is significantly different than the vacuum circuitry used in the '56 series of Holley 4000 carburetors to include the optional over-the-Ford-parts-counter 2x4 power pack EDB series Holley 4000 carburetors.
Put another way, IF you found yourself using '56 series Holley 4000 carburetors as replacements for the '57 ECJ carburetors with a '57-'64 FoMoCo distributor, you would have to modify the vacuum circuitry on the '56 carburetors. Ted Eaton has an EXCELLENT article on how to do this on his web site. See http://www.eatonbalancing.com/blog/2013/03/02/modifying-the-holley-teapot-four-barrel-carb-for-late-model-distributors/The '54-'56 FoMoCo LoadOMatic ignition distributors used only vacuum to control the distributor ignition spark advance curve. '57-'64 FoMoCo distributors used a combination of a centrifugal mechanical advance AND vacuum advance to accomplish the ignition spark advance curve. The '54-'56 vacuum only LoadOMatic ignition advance systems are PROBLEMATIC and the '57-'64 combination centrifugal and vacuum ignition advance system yield improved, reliable engine performance.
In summary, you cannot intermix the early and later components. '54-'56 FoMoCo application carburetors will not work with '57-'64 FoMoCo distributors without modifications to the carburetor vacuum circuitry. Also, '57 and later FoMoCo application carburetors will not work with the earlier '54-'56 FoMoCo LoadOMatic distributors, period.
I hope this info helps you understand why you can't use your '57 series Holley 4000 ECJ carburetors with the '56 FoMoCo LoadOMatic distributor. The vacuum signal from the ECJ carburetors would not provide the correct vacuum signal for actuating the '56 distributor ignition advance curve.
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AKA,
I think that we crossed wires somewhere in this discussion. I was referring to the 57 ECJ 9510 AA & AB that are installed on my "E" Bird only for reference with John. The "E" Bird has a special distributor, FEJ-B(2), that was only used on the "E" configuration. The question was; Can the ECZ-9510M, list 1161-2 carbs be used on a 56 Crown Vic 292 engine with it's original distributor?
Mike
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