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Today I started to take my new 56 apart.
I pulled the Edelbrock carb & adapter from the manifold,
then took out the distributor.
Low and behold the dist has a Pertronix inside, so I save 
myself a hundred bucks. Good deal.
Now, this car ran really bad/lazy. The original dist (loada)
was connected to the carb with one vacuum line to the smaller
of the two vacuum chambers. The vacuum signal was hooked up
to a ported vacuum on the carb.
The distributor seems to be OK internally, but I'm wondering where
to get info on what the correct springs should be for the Loadamatic
to work with a stock carb? And, How to check the distributor for
proper operation?
Any advice?
Thanks
Jim
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My advice is to get service manual for a '56 - and read up a bit about the two stage Load-o-Matic. I got one for my T-bird when it came home (and I soon knew the antique carb and dizzy weren't for me). Too many historic problems with reliability of the teapots and Load-o-Matics - it's not that they cannot or will not work - they are just too much like owning an "English" car.

Anyway - the carb and distributor combo for the '56 Load-o-Matic constitute a system where two different vacuum signals are being used:
1.0 Engine speed is being tracked by VENTURI vacuum - the greater the air/fuel mixture speed at the carb venturi, the greater the vacuum being applied to the distributor pot. There is a port in the carb - right at the venturi restriction - causing the greatest air speed - and the "Pitot" effect is causing a proportional vacuum in that passage. That signal is fed to a distributor pot with a matching spring resistance - greater the engine speed - greater the advance.
2.0 Manifold vacuum is applied to a second pot. It creates an "offset" - an increase of a few degrees in advance when manifold vacuum is "high". The sum of the two is being used when the engine is at low/part throttle conditions. When the throttle is opened (increased engine load) the "offset" is eliminated and spark then "retards" to that governed by the venturi vacuum alone.

When people try to use the Load-o-Matic distributor with a carb that has only manifold vacuum - or ported manifold vacuum (like your Edelbrock) - it no longer has "speed sense". The modern carbs do not have a port for venturi vacuum and that part of the system cannot function as designed. You are left with the "off-set" alone and whatever initial advance has been dialed into the assembled engine. Typically - to make the engine run at all - it ends up with a really retarded arrangement.


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Steve
Thanks
That means It'll be in good company, cuz I'm retarded at times too.
Jim
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"much like owning an "English" car."            Steve that's the best.. I can say that as I have an English car in my flock lol..

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Talky, 

  English as S.U's Lucas ets. Tinker, tinker, tinker every now and then they work............. sorta. (I have one also)

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Yup..   that's about right, by now the ol' SU's  are flogged out including the linkages and we skirt around trying to compensate for it all rather than coughing up to fix them...ahh what fun! BigGrin

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The British drink warm beer because they have Lucas refrigerators...
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More great knowledge from Greenbird!
Now, as far as Brit engineering goes, I have to agree most is questionable. But I rather like SU carbs for their simplicity and reliability having owned and maintained several machines so equipped. ('54 MG TF, '62 Jag E-Type, "67 Volvo 122S)




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Good one, Dobie
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My comments are the result of (once) owning a '65 Triumph Spitfire. The car was passed to me by a fellow who had basically set it up and raced it for a lifetime (of the car - like a year or so) - he was a "SOLO" slalom competitor. With competition compound tires on it - it would take your head off in a 90º corner. Banzai runs at the turns (over in seconds) were followed by days of "tinker, tinker, tinker" infinitum.......... I sold it and bought my first 442.

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