Ok, i need some help. I have titled my 56 fairlane and want to start driving her. How ever a cheap way to correct my problem is to remove the 2100 carb and put the original intake and holley 4000 back on to set timing where it needs to be.

Problem is i cant wait 8 weeks to mail my carb off to have it professionally restored by the old carb doctor. So i am looking at reman carbs to get by for now.

My old carb is part number ECZ-9510-M, which my parts and illustration guide says is for a 292 or 312. The list number is 1161-2 which i find out is a 312 list number.

My set up is a 292 with ford-o-matic. I figure this is the original carb to the car. I wasnt able to locate a reman 1161-2 carb but i did find a 1161-1 carb reman for a respectful price.

Question is whats the difference between 1161-1 and 1161-2? I found the 1161-1 is also stated as a 312 carb but nothing about automatic or standard.

Im wondering if i buy the 1161-1 to get by with for now if it will work on my application to drive around some till i qm qble to mail my 1161-2 carb off?

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan - 292 Y8 - Ford-O-Matic - 155,000 mi

Autolite 2100?  The other option is to get a mechanical advance distributor.  That is what's required to run a newer carb.  The original vacuum advance system will not work.  There are a couple options for new or upgraded.  You may also find good used or even NOS.  Off the shelf rebuilds probably aren't an option at this time, given the issues with Cardone, since almost any rebuild will be by Cardone, no matter how it is branded.


Lawrenceville, GA

There's 5 Distributors available from Someone in the Classifieds Postings. If He still has any. Surprised no One is grabbing at least One while they are available.

  

Rusty. 

I.  My '49-'59 Ford Text Catalog also shows your ECZ 9510-M Holley 4000 as being used on 292 and 312 engines in '56.

- My recollection is that the difference in suffix numbers that you have inquired about refers to one originally being intended for standard or standard with overdrive transmissions while the other being intended for use with FordoMatic transmissions. 

- The only difference in the outfitting of the two different carburetor numbers that I am aware of is the installation of an anti-stall dashpot on the carburetor used with the FordoMatic transmission. 

- The component parts listing difference when the carb is used with the FordoMatic transmission is the addition of (1) anti-stall dashpot, (1) bracket to support (hold) the anti-stall dashpot, and a part number for the (2) screws used to attach the anti-stall dashpot bracket to the aluminum base of the carburetor.

II.  Oldcarmark and Charlie have raised the question as to what ignition distributor is presently installed on the engine. 

- I wouldn't be surprised IF the vehicle still has it's original vacuum only distributor ignition advance system.

- IF it is the original distributor, you won't have to change it IF you are using a Holley 4000 carburetor.

Hope this helps. 


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a.k.a. Charlie Brown
near Syracuse, New York

I heard about that, for me i already got my name on a dual reservoir vacuum advance for my dist. I got the original intake and holley 4000 but i hate to simply throw a kit in it and hope for the best. Im putting trust in what the old carb doctor told me as he came highly recommended for rebuilding theses. He told me these castings have issues with warpage.

So instead of letting my car sit 8 weeks for his turn around i found a carb place online that sells the carbs rebuilt out right. Just trying to see how their 1161-1 list holley 4000 compares to my 1161-2 list holley.

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan - 292 Y8 - Ford-O-Matic - 155,000 mi

Thqnks for the reply. The guy at larrys already told me id be looking at around a 4 week turn around for any dist i send in to be rebuilt. Seemed my new route is faster as ill have the dual reservoir advance in a few weeks and all i have to get is a reman carb and could be driving in November.

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan - 292 Y8 - Ford-O-Matic - 155,000 mi

Its the original load o matic. Just had a single reservoir can installed and timing set to 0 degrees initial as the 2100 carb and 1961 intake that repair shop installed in the 80s was throwing timing to full advance at idle.

My quick fix was to be a 57 dist but its not quick as i have to source and mail out to rebuild.

If the only difference is the use of the dash pot then thats no problem i have all that and can swap it from my original carb to the new one. I was concerned that maybe there was something internally different either spark delay valve wise or power valve wise.

If a H suffix will work in place of a M suffix with transfering the dash pot pieces then that would be great for me.

I can get my car driveable by thanksgiving and mail out my original M suffix carb to the old carb doctor for restoration after i move.

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan - 292 Y8 - Ford-O-Matic - 155,000 mi

For me ideally i want to put the car back like it was when new. My grandfather bouth this car new. So for me its more of a having it function like new.

I did plan on some upgrades such as i personally rebuilt a double action fuel pump to make the vacuum wipers safer.

Im also looking at running a petronix to eliminate points. But i have done that yet. Im kind of tempted to run a 57 dist with the holley 4000. But in the end im really trying to make it hard for people to tell whats not correct and what is.

My main goal is to put the car on the road by thanksgiving. Will give me time to find other problems i need to address before i go to my christmas party at work.

1956 Ford Fairlane Town Sedan - 292 Y8 - Ford-O-Matic - 155,000 mi

Rusty.  Hmmmm . . .  The '56 Holley 4000s supplied two different vacuum signals to two diaphragm chambers on the '56 FoMoCo LoadoMatic distributors.  One vacuum line came from above the idle adjusting screws on the front of the carb (directly under the choke plates) and the other vacuum line came from a brass fitting attached to the carburetor base on the rear of the carb adjacent to where the vacuum controlled secondary plates are located. 

Someone may have substituted the single chamber diaphragm chamber on your distributor to accommodate the single vacuum take-off found on the 2100 carb. that the shop installed. 

In the '49-'59 Ford Car Text Catalog, the following carb numbers are listed for the 292 & 312 application using the same carb. parts list number (#37 breakdown)
ECJ 9510-U or V
ECZ 9510-G or H
ECZ 9510-L or M

Having the correct vacuum advance chamber on your '56 distributor may be just as important to having the correct vacuum lines coming from the '56 Holley 4000 that you install.

Hope this helps!  


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a.k.a. Charlie Brown
near Syracuse, New York

Do some fleebay shopping.   Get a newer style distributor. Then you can buy brand new Motorcraft knockoff carb for $75.     I got the bottom plate for my Holley 2300 for $24 with free shipping.  Part came in 2 days.