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Help addressing my 239 Load-O-Matic puzzle

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HI all of you great guys, I really appreciate your comments that give me more and more insight into my Merc's tech. It's amazing how nowadays communication has advanced to the point where we can help each other around the world. Being far away I started back in 1968 to
communicating with the US with letters and later on with faxes!

Taking into account all your valuable help I have a first decided not to swap the Loadomatic with a newer one, as yes KULTUZ I am also addicted to originality and after all it used to work ok for many years.

Now with your eager help yesterday
I ordered from eBay a
NOS (!!!) distributor on eBay and also another NOS distributor gear to go on my spare Loadomatic who's gear is missing. Now with three distributors available I'm going to spend the time to try and adjust the primary and secondary springs testing it on the road.

I'll double check my timing and everything else as suggested. As I'm only a DIY limited mechanic, Ted kindly explain to me what you mean by shimming have no idea what and how you mean this.

Also FORD DEARBORN please be more specific about ''using a vacuum gauge and a hand operated vacuum pump plumbed to the vacuum diaphragm'' is this a way I can set up the primary and secondary springs to my curve as per my manual?
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... hmmpf ...

Actually read the TECH ARTICLE and now I understand.

Never actually needed to know before ...


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THANX TED - MUCHLY APPRECIATED!

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KULTULZ (5/15/2025)
If one modifies a LOM style carb to signal a DUAL ADVANCE DIST, is that modification permanent or can it be reversed if wanting to later revert back to LOM (restoration purposes)?

That’s a ‘Yes’ on being able to reverse the modification on a model 2140 or 4000 Holley 4V carburetor and be able to go back to the Load-O-Matic (LOM) distributor.  That carburetor modification for using a later model mechanical distributor simply blocks the venturi assisted portion of the vacuum signal to the distributor.

Removing the freshly installed nipple and plugging the hole at the outside of the carburetor would be one method for reversing the modification but if it’s a standard shift vehicle, then the modified screw in the bottom would need to be replaced with a long stem version along with installing the small plastic ball that sits on top of that stem.  If it’s an automatic transmission equipped car, the modified short stem screw at the bottom of the carburetor can stay in place.  An optional method is to remove the short stem screw at the bottom of the carburetor and simply drill a small hole through both sides of the tube used for the new nipple, replace the screw, and install a rubber cap on the exposed end of the nipple on the outside of the carburetor.  Either of these scenarios would restore the original vacuum signal assuming the spark advance valve is also in place.


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'ya know ...

Back when, it (TUNE - POINTS REPLACEMENT) paid flat rate to remover the DIST and set it up on a DIST MACH as to dwell, point tension and correct advance. You know as well as I do that it rarely happened. The TECH threw in a set of points and condenser and drove it out.




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If one modifies a LOM style carb to signal a DUAL ADVANCE DIST, is that modification permanent or can it be reversed if wanting to later revert back to LOM (restoration purposes)?


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Aris (5/13/2025)
1. Is there a way I can manually tune the springs without the SUN machine?

Without the aid of a distributor machine, your timing light can be used for determining your existing ‘no load’ distributor curve.  As a general rule, adding shims reduces the total amount of timing and taking shims away increases the total amount of ignition timing.  From what you are describing, you need to add shims assuming of course that this an ignition problem.

As mentioned by John (Hoosier Hurricane), upgrading to a newer distributor, oil drive, and oil pump would help to simplify working on the ignition curve.  If retaining the model 2140 Holley, then the same modifications performed to the Holley 4000 carbs to make them compatible with the later model ignitions would be doable.

And as Ford Deaborn brings up, the issue may be something other than the ignition.  Has a compression test on the engine been performed?  What condition are the spark plug wires?  Are you using ethanol blended fuel?  If so, try running a fuel with a reduced ethanol blend or no ethanol at all and see if that helps.


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Aris (5/14/2025)
It has a solid pulley for generator and water pump and in front of it has also one more double pulley for the power steering belt. Sorry I Don't understand what you mean by rubber damper,

Being a solid pulley in your case is expected to have the TDC mark reasonably close to where it is supposed to be.  The rubber mounted dampers are prone to slippage at the timing marks and that does pose a tuning issue when that happens.

I only mention the rubber damper as it was unknown at the time if the engine had been upgraded to newer parts or possibly even another engine during the last 70 years.  I bring this up due to working on a 1954 Ford Y for a customer that ended up being a 292 with the ’54 timing cover, distributor, oil pump, water pump, fuel pump, etc.  Externally, the engine looked like a 239 without delving into specific block and head casting numbers.  That engine was then upgraded with the 1955 and newer parts to make it more road friendly in the event parts were needed to be replaced during a road trip.


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KULTULZ (5/14/2025)
Can the OP two posts be combined to cause less confusion?

I have put a lock on the duplicate post that’s in the ‘Street’ section to prevent responses to that particular post.  That should help to eliminate two sets of replies for the same topic.


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