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What are the best sources for y-block headers?  I have been out of this game about 40 years but am now building a 312 with ported 411 heads and a Paxton blower setup.  I plan to run a toploader on it, so have clutch linkage.  Does anyone build a good 2-inch header that will fit this in a 57 Fairlane with manual steering?  I see some advertised but need advice based on experience.
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Well maybe I'm just stupid but I call it "old" but I don't guess I understand "boost". The only experience I have with "boost" is my Banks turbo on my '92 Ford 7.3 diesel pickup. It cruises a 5 psi and under a load it is at 11 - 12 psi. If the wastegate sticks it will peg the needle at 15 psi. I think any powerstroke is at 14 psi. I realize that it is diesel vs gas and detonation is a way of life with a diesel. I remember when Ford first came out with turbo's in '94 it made about 4 -6 psi and it was almost like not even having a turbo. I think tractor pullers have like 200 psi through up to 4 turbos. How in the world can they make that much boost if 6 psi is too much for a Y-block? Is turbo boost different than supercharger boost? I think old airplane motors had like 75 psi and they used 115/145 octane fuel. I know the experts on here, and I mean that, you guys are experts, can explain this to me ...

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It's all in how the engine is designed.  An engine running 200psi has been built for it.  Everything from the block, crank, rods, pistons, heads, etc is beefed up to handle the power.  Most of the Y-blocks running around have cast pistons.  With cast pistons about 6psi is the most it should take.  Cast pistons are fragile.  One episode of detonation and something is probably coming appart.  The Y can take a lot more if it is built for it.  The same is true for most other engines.

Turbocharger and supercharger boost is the same.  A turbo system is a little more dynamic.  Since it's not belt driven, the boost pressure is not a function of engine rpm.


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The boost typically added to a Y-block by a supercharger or turbo ultimately is not the issue, unless someone is going above 11-12 psi, measured at the supercharger outlet.  The issue is horsepower.  Your answer hits the nail on the head.  As you increase boost, horsepower increases.  If you add too much horsepower to an engine that is not made for it, you will break something.  Elsewhere in this forum are some pictures by Ted Eaton of sbf engines that were built up to more horsepower than they can take.

My earlier comments about boost were made to provide some idea about how much air I need to run through the engine as one factor to consider in selecting headers.

I may have mentioned somewhere above that if you measure boost from the supercharger I plan to use, at about 6200 rpm it will show 11 to 12 psi at the blower outlet.  If you measure the same pressure in the intake manifold, after various losses through the carbs, etc., you will see no more than 6 psi, maybe less.  That is because of friction loss in the system.  Typically, boost has traditionally been measured at the blower outlet, but measuring manifold pressure is a better indicator of what may be reaching the valves, where even more friction loss occurs as air flows through the head to the cylinder.  I am not sure where you are measuring the tubo boost on the Powerstroke, but it is likely somewhere near where the air enters the head, thus 15 psi of boost on your diesel is probably equivalent to the 6-psi I would read in a Y-block manifold when the supercharger is putting out 11-12 psi at its outlet.  If so, the diesel turbo is adding a lot more boost than I plan to add to a gas Y-block for street driving.

Getting back to the header issue, everyone seems to agree that going to more than 1-5/8 inch primary pipes on the header will cost low and mid-range power on a street car, even with the supercharger.  I accept this, but I am not sure I understand exactly why this happens.  Can anyone explain this?


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Forum Post Headers Source Needed By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Unless you can a find a set of 2” headers that have already been... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, I found Jerry's website last night and the standard 1-5/8 headers... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Jim Davis at Red's headers would be another source, but as Ted says,... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, I will check this out. See my comments to Ted above. Thanks... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post ! 5/8 is the diameter of the primary tubes. This is the diameter of... By charliemccraney ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post You do need 1 5/8" headers. Try Ford Powertrain Headers. They cost... By 55Birdman ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Thanks for the additional source of headers. I have a call into Jerry... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post For a normally aspirated and ‘full race’ Y, I find that 1¾” header... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, Thanks for the very interesting observtions about header pipe... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]57FordGuy (12/11/2008)[/b][hr]I plan to run between 6 and 12... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]Ted (12/12/2008)[/b][hr]
The gases can then freely...
By charliemccraney ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]charliemccraney (12/12/2008)[/b][hr][quote][b]Ted... By Ted ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post I keep hearing the 6-12 lbs boost and Hyper-eutectic pistons. That's... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post With the cast pistons, and Hyper-eutectic IS a casting, I'd limit it... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Dan, Stubbs is well known in the Y Block community. He... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Why are the stock manifolds upswept? Why aren't any headers made like... By charliemccraney ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post To the best of My knowledge, the stock exhaust manifolds are upswept... By mctim64 ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]charliemccraney (12/15/2008)[/b][hr]Why are the stock... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post The input about my question on headers has been informative.... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post In all the tests I have ever seen regarding 4 into one versus tri Y,... By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post My headers are off the shelf fenderwells from JC Whitney, no longer... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Well, I got the fenderwell part right! By pegleg ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank: Don't feel bad! I didn't know the dimensions until yesterday... By Hoosier Hurricane ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Some internet research found some "Block Hugger" headers by Pacesetter... By 57FordGuy ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post My impression after perusing their ads for 3 point seat belts &... By PF Arcand ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post Well maybe I'm just stupid but I call it "old" but I don't guess I... By ejstith ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post It's all in how the engine is designed. An engine running 200psi has... By charliemccraney ( 17 Years Ago )
Forum Post The boost typically added to a Y-block by a supercharger or turbo... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post First, I don't think the 1 3/4 pipes would hurt all that much. In fact... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, Thanks for the concise answer. The concept of inertia of the... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Mike, I didn't explain some of this very well. The object of... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, I think I'm getting a headache. At least two things are... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, Found the book you mentioned on Amazon plus a lot of other... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post And here’s something else to consider when building your own... By Ted ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, Thanks for the pointer. I was giving that some thought already.... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Seppo. Thanks for the pictures. Your Phase II setup looks... By Ted ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted, I thought that if I tackled the dyno testing with various header... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]57FordGuy (1/5/2009)[/b][hr]I have no experience in dyno... By Ted ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Ted and all: This is just what I wanted to hear about a dyno. I been... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Mike, I think the diameter of the pipe correlates with the... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, You will probably get this done before I get started so would... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]57FordGuy (1/3/2009)[/b][hr]Frank, You will probably get... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, This tells me quite a bit because you indicated earlier that... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank (pegleg), Regarding your January 3 comment about 1-3/4 pipes for... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Mike, It sounds like 1 5/8" primaries on a supercharged set up will... By charliemccraney ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post In the "old" days we used to put a long collector tube, painted white... By MoonShadow ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post I thought about something like this, but we don't have a track... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post This is how our Twin turbo headers looked at the Phase One set up.... By Hollow Head ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Another option on collectors if running them open all the time (race... By Ted ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Mike, It is blown. It's a reproduction F code, using 471... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Frank, Wow! If I remember some of the stuff I have read about the... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Since we last exchanged information, I obtained " Practical gas flow... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]57FordGuy (1/8/2009)[/b][hr]Frank, Wow! If I remember... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post 57fordguy, I like what you're are thinking of doing here. But I'll... By bird55 ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Second to what Ted's saying, it's also easier to access the engine on... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post [quote][b]pegleg (1/7/2009)[/b][hr]Second to what Ted's saying, it's... By bird55 ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Alan, No, just a list of the good and the bad. If, like Ted,... By pegleg ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post ... By Hollow Head ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Hi Seppo, Thanks for the article. According to everything I have... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Mike: If you don't mind me asking, are you the person from Montana... By PF Arcand ( 16 Years Ago )
Forum Post Paul, Guilty as charged. I did not auction the Sunliner or any of my... By 57FordGuy ( 16 Years Ago )


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