Frank is right I did not mean to offend, and I too would like to know more about the fuels we use.  It is hard to see or hear a persons expression in type so don't take things I say so harsh, I just have a sense of humor.

If Johnson comes back maybe he can tell us more about the MTBE as I recall it was to help lower carbon emissions some 10% but you get worse gas milage and burn about 15% more fuel, not to mention polluting the ground water.

By the way I talked to my cousin that buys LPG 500 gal. at a time and he said last time he paid $1.75 a gal.

   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

Johnson,

       Maybe you don't need it, but WE do. Tim and you agree the whole thing's a crock. He didn't mean to offend you and we sure as hell need to learn about reformulted  Gasoline. Evidently C.A.R.B. does also. My organic chemistry is 40 odd years old, so I can just barely follow you. Can you phrase it for others without the chem classes to comprehend?

Frank/Rebop

Bristol, In ( by Elkhart) 

Thanks for the ride, guys but I don't need this BS...





Johnson Rod



Southern California

Thanks for clearing that up for me. 

   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

What I said wasn't a dig on you, Tim. I meant as the Oil Companies make a big deal out of "reformulating" gas for summer months and all we do is put more heat in our Debutanizer to fire more pentenes overhead so it doesn't go out the bottom with the gasoline. Thats how we control the vapor pressure of the gasoline for summer and winter months. You can use a play on words all you want. Yes I guess you could call that "a reformulation of sorts to me". But the Oil Companies are charging you for it.



But as long as you asked I would call Reformulating gasoline adding something to the the basic gasoline "forumla" such as an oxygenate (methyl tertiary butyl ether or MTBE comes to mind, mandated by our great state to help air pollution but ended up polluting the ground water. As a fellow Californian, I'm sure you remember that) that changes the basic gasoline "formula". And yes it is Heavier or as YOU call it "Moreheavieracation" (I took the liberty to correct your spelling).



Speaking of MTBE, Chevron El Segundo had to build a whole new plant to make MTBE so it could be ADDED to our gasoline to satisfy California's CARB Emission Standards. That Plant is now sitting idle after it was discovered MTBE was polluting our ground water. And Tim, who do you think got to pay for that...



And with that, I'm done... See ya





Johnson Rod



Southern California

What you just said sounds like a reformulation of sorts to me, what term would you use? Morehevieracation. 

   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

Reformulated my azz, basically all they do is blend with less lighter ends (pentenes, a by product) in the gasoline so it doesn't evaporate in the heat as fast. Which equates to blending heavier components (more expensive) to make a gallon of gas.



Of course I way over simplified the process but I'm sure you get my drift. I worked in the Alkylation Section for over twenty five years in the largest Refinery on the west coast, Chevron El Segundo.





Johnson Rod



Southern California

Our lift trucks had water heated mixers, so no problem in winter.  They ran mostly inside, but sometimes were taken outside in winter.

John - "The Hoosier Hurricane"

[quote]PF Arcand (5/21/2009)

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We had 3 light trucks at work on propane & all were trouble prone, particularly in winter.quote]

Our forklift, that runs on LPG, has trouble in winter too. the system freezes from expansion just like an A/C system.

   God Bless.   Tim                           http://yblockguy.com/

350ci Y-Block FED "Elwood", 301ci Y-Block Unibody LSR "Jake", 312ci Y-Block '58 F-100, 338ci Y-Block powered Model A Tudor

tim@yblockguy.com  Visalia, California    Just west of the Sequoias

Many fork lifts are propane powered in this area of the country.  Probably because they have a less annoying odor than gasoline trucks when used inside a closed building.  Of course, many companies use electric trucks, but they require charging frequently.   

John - "The Hoosier Hurricane"