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well i know there are several ppl on here running turbos on the y-blocks but my searches turned up nuttin. I alway thought turbos were for ricers but now im seeing that it might be kinda neat. So show me and tell me about your setups and what your performance is and such. I Also have some questions as im really new to turbos. What kind of effect would one have on effeciency (yes i realize they are mostly for performance so mpg isnt a concern but im curious). What size and kind of turbos are you guys adapting and how do you have it all plumbed? and just any general info anyone feels like sharing on the subject?
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Ah, yes. Turbos.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnNk0ZmLvVA

This is my favorite Y Block turbo video. The Hollow Heads can tell you more.



And there's Bill







Should you need turbo services, contact one of "us" www.supernaturalturbo.com.



I've always heard turbos can allow a vehicle to be more efficient, ie better mileage but I have yet to own one to know. So far, with everything I've done to my engine, my mileage has not decreased so I think it's a safe assumption with the turbo. Like many performance mods, I'm sure it depends more on your own ability to control your foot. Some time in the not too distant future....


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wow never though a turbo whine could be so stinking cool. keep the pics and videos coming i love it. And add any information you feel is relevant at all to this because like i said i did a search and nothing came up.
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Ok, Mr flatbedford... Sorry that our sites ( www.hollowheads.net ) are kinda messy, but you can find my story about turbocharging the Y behind projects / Hollow Machine ( that Hot Rod lookalike thing ) and scrolling past the pics. The story is the same as published in Y-block Magazine, put there is no pics in it.

We will put all that turbo stuff to Technical Innovations section / Turbo Engine after I have collected all the good pictures together and when i get the texts ready. Lots of pics, lots of memories BigGrin

Also, all our videos about Twin Turbo Y and Single Turbo Y are linked at the Videos section.

Enjoy, while I figure out our pics and texts....

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And for all who are interested about our sites, please tell us your suggestions how to improve our sites. Here in Finland winters are long and almost nothing happens here then. Exept in garages... BigGrin. So, updates may seem to be in minimum, but our brains are not resting...

Lots of technical improvements are crawling under our hollow heads. Some of them will be done actually and some will end up to trash. Two big turbos and a set of bigger fuel injectors are on the wish list, but those reguire some cash that we don't have at the moment Angry.

You never know, what happens next...

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wow you guys are coming up with some crazy stuff and im loving all of it. you guys are really thinking outside of the box and you really have my mind racing now as to what i could do.
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well i read through your build of the hollow machine and i have got to say i absolutely love it. you took a pile of nothing and built stuff out of it which is really cool. im also likeing all the different setups that you experiemented with and i have got to say that you torque number blew me away, over 400 ft/lbs, AWESOME. Now as far as turbo size goes how big is required? and following common sense if two are used would they only need to be half as big? And is there a significant difference in design of turbos for diesel and gas. I think i have a buddy that has the stock turbo off his 96 cummins would something like that work for my 292? how much booste pressure is safe in these motors. I would also be interested in considerations to take into account when building a turboed motor. Im thinking compression would have to be lower than otherwise like 8:1 or so and heads might need work (in either case but would it be more important?),What about cam profiles (more aggressive? closer to stock?), Piston shape (flattops, dished, etc). Thats a lot of questions and i relize you guys arent absolute experts on this subject but you know more than me.
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Well, it all depends how serious one would go BigGrin. Compression ratios back in the old days were kept quite low because of detonation issues. The more you feed air and gasoline to your engine, more heat is generated by burning it and that makes detonation more likely to occur if same amount of ignition advance is used. Today with computer controlled ignition devices you can retard ignition with knock sensor information or by tuning the charts by revs and boost amount. If compression ratios were from 7.5:1 to 8.5:1 in the eighties, now it's possible to use 10:1 to 12:1 easily.

Turbo size? Reed P. would be the right person to ask this about, but of course turbos from diesel engines are designed to work in lower rpm levels when compared with turbos from gasoline engines. Also huge truck diesels with engine capasities over 10 liters produce more exhaust gases to propell the turbos than tiny Y-blocks. Our next goal is to get two turbos that are good enough to 450+ hp each. Then it's different story how we get the Y to hold that stress what they generate. With the right size of a turbo you can eliminate the problem which we had when the single turbo itself was braking the engine with exess back pressure below the turbo flange. Also, the lag issue can be eliminated with correct sizing of parts used.

Stock or slightly ported heads are ok with low boost pressures. They might be ok with even lot more, but we had only 0.7 bar boost pressure at the dyno. But, the more you get them to flow, the more you can get hp from your engine. Today people are using well over 3 bar of boost pressure with their cars in drifting, drag racing and on the streets. Big pressures just generate new problems to solve with engines. Head gaskets must be different, overall sealing of the engine must be considered also, because sometimes that boost may get to the wrong side of the piston and blows gaskets and oil from the engine.

Also the pistons should be forged with high pressures and high heat levels. As you have red, we tried to save on everything, because we really didn't think it would work or last for a minute at the start w00t. For the next bottom end we are thinking of better connecting rods, better pistons and a main stud girdle to hold it together. And of course changing to E85 as a fuel. That will keep the engine cooler and give us a change to use more ignition advance because E85 is not so prone to detonation.

As a camshaft I recommend mild grinds. In turbo engines exess overlap can cause problems. With a stock camshaft you can expect 30-35 percent increase in power. Wild cams may have crucial effects in torque curves.

What else? Just go for it and get some experiments. Electronic fuel injection is the key to succes but it can be done effectively with carbs too.

We are updating our sites with lots of pictures about our project so stay tuned. Some of those might be there after Monday when teros292 get all that stuff put there that I have mailed to him.

Oh, and yes... buy a book or two about turbocharging engines. easy and cheap way to avoid expensive mistakes and easier to read than from computer and the thousand different sites Smile. And keep asking, we try to figure out the problems...

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wow thats was a lot of help. thanks a ton. As of right now my plan is to build a fuel injection system with megasquirt some how (probably gunna borrow a lot of your guys ideals). then im going to have to see what i can find for turbos as i dont think i can afford to drop a grand or more on just turbos but hopefully i can find some stock ones off of something that have been swapped out or something as i would really like to run dual turbos as i just like the symmetrical look in the engine bay but we will see one might have to work. So if i was to find a turbo or turbos off of a similar sized engine they should be about right as far as flow? (what about something designed for the 4.6 or 5.0l ford mustang?) Im not building a race car but i would like to sqeeze a good amount of power out of my motor as it is going to go into 59 f100 with 4x4 so it will be heavier than most. Also this truck is my planned on daily driver that i want to last a long time so i will keep the booste low.
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Treasure hunting at the junkyard! Of course two ideal turbos is a must if planning Twin turbo set up and then you have to check the openin point of the wastegates to be ideal also.

This one tickles my mind. Twin Turbo at the trunk of some 50's Ford like '54 Vicky or something... And boost levels like this guy has... BigGrin. Read on...

http://images.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http://image.musclemustangfastfords.com/f/9841275/mmfp_0804_02_z%2Brear_mounted_turbocharged%2B.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0804_1989_mustang_eat_race_die/photo_02.html&usg=__u1DogPjbtbbwN596Bb_lUQ2KkmA=&h=480&w=640&sz=106&hl=fi&start=6&itbs=1&tbnid=D9PwV5jFnx35XM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dturbocharged%26hl%3Dfi%26gbv%3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1

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