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Y block Billy (3/19/2011)
The guy is meticulouse though and I feel it was money well spent.

I like my machinist too! Wink

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I see he mentions a 3 angle valve job but nothing about the guides or new valves. my heads were near $900 to through completely, I since acquired all the machinery to do them myself for about half that price.

The guy is meticulouse though and I feel it was money well spent.

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Yes they did.  The rods were mismatched though taken from the same engine.  I was a little embarrassed to even take them in, as they werent anything I would reuse.  The head shop guy had been complaining about not being able to find 312 rods.  I told him when taking them in that new ones could be had for around $300.  Guess he somehow equated that with the used rod value.  It was $100 total. 

I didnt mention that the first set of heads I took in were found cracked upon magging.  So there was cleaning and mag of two sets of heads in addition to the previous mentioned work.

Oh there was another thing I forgot.  They cut down the top of the guides for .460 lift.

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.


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46yblock (3/18/2011)Last year I had a shop in Carquest install hardened seats on intake and exhaust of heads, along with new guides, positive valve seals, milling of one head, setting of installed spring height, cleaning and beadblasting of heads.  The charge was $100 plus a set of used 312 rods they needed for someone's T-bird.

Wow!  They gave you that job.  No extra for the seats and guides?  (parts) They really must have needed those rods.

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Daniel Jessup (3/15/2011)
Not to belabor the issue of machine shops and my dilemma, but two more shops closer to my residence closed down. One closed down about 1 week ago, literally...I have to keep going further east of where I live...nothing but West Virginia woods and mountain sides west of where I live.

here is an e-mail from another shop located about 30 minutes away from me...

Daniel, Thanks for your inquiry as to our services!.  Sorry I took so long to get back to you,
we have been very busy for over a year now.  I am going to give the prices you requested and some others I thought you may need as well. 
Clean block only [wash]  80.00
clean complete engine  150.00
mag. block  30.00
mag heads  20.00
bore & hone block  250.00
align bore mains  300.00
R & R cam brgs  40.00
R & R  exp. plugs  25.00  [ includes oil gallery plugs] 
deck the block  150.00
reface lifters  - I can get it done OR get you new ones
Valve job  3 angle  250.00  both heads
surface both heads  100.00
You will need hard seats in the exh. valves [ unleaded gas]   approx. 125.00
polish crankshaft  40.00
balance rot. assm.  200.00
 
We can get parts for pretty much anything [ we do a lot of resto. work ] .  We would be happy to help you with your project. We don't cut corners or get no-name parts from
who-knows where. We specialize in doing it right!!!.  I also understand many people are on a budget so we try to advise you how best to spend your money to get the results you want. We have many satisfied customers [ stock & racing ]  and would be glad to add you to the list.  You can call or come by M - F  7:30 - 5:00  or Sat. 8:00-12:00.  We look forward to serving you soon!!.    Thanks again,   XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
This is more of a race shop, from what I understand. I do plan to visit their shop on Friday. Can't get over the price differences though. The Carquest shop I have been to before, and had a 312 crank ground their once, plus some light head work on another engine, etc. However, the shop has changed management again, and I have had issues with "staying on top" of things when it comes to Y block relevancy...guess everyone owns chebbies around here. Hehe Maybe staying on top of things is to be expected in the modern era.
 
A question about align boring the mains - anyone know why there might be such a large difference in pricing between the two shops?

Wow, those are some steep prices!  We are lucky with 6 full service shops in the Grants Pass area (pop. 40,000), plus more guys that do head work and similar tasks taking less machinery.  It keeps the costs down.  Balancing and crank turning is done in Eugene at a big specialty outfit.  They charge $110 to turn cranks, $300 for offset ground cranks, $110 for crank balancing and do fine work.  They turned a 312 crank to 292 mains for me and saved the oil slinger.  That one cost $200. 

The Eugene outfit has a guy that makes a weekly circuit, picking up and delivering 1-2 weeks later, at no charge.  Eugene is 200 miles away.

Last year I had a shop in Carquest install hardened seats on intake and exhaust of heads, along with new guides, positive valve seals, milling of one head, setting of installed spring height, cleaning and beadblasting of heads.  The charge was $100 plus a set of used 312 rods they needed for someone's T-bird.

Mike, located in the Siskiyou mountains, Southern, OR 292 powered 1946 Ford 1/2 ton, '62 Mercury Meteor, '55 Country Squire (parting out), '64 Falcon, '54 Ford 600 tractor.


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Dan, before you get too deep into this block, make sure that it has not been sleeved on all eight cyl's. I have had two std bore blocks that turned out being sleeved and std pistons used. I gave Ted one and still have one, this was very common among the rebuilders back in the day.

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Daniel Jessup (3/15/2011)
 
A question about align boring the mains - anyone know why there might be such a large difference in pricing between the two shops?
 
My guess is one shop is talking about align honing ($150) and the other is talking about align boring ($300).  If your crank is in good condition and the caps are tight (you should have to tap them into place with a hammer) check the clearance and see how well the crank turns with new bearings, you may not need to do anything.  If the caps look like they have been moving but no spun bearings honing is more than enough.  I like to align hone the blocks I do just to be sure the mains are good and strait, the trick is not to take too much out with a hone as it raises your center line.  If a bearing has "spun" in the block or the crank was burnt that is when boring may be needed.
 
See if you can have a tour of the shop doing the work, see what engines they are working on and see how nice the equipment looks.  Do they use a stationary boring bar or a portable? (one that just bolts to the top of the block)  Do they "square" the block when they deck it or just copy the old surface?  Get a feel for the guys you are working with, you can usually tell if they know what they are doing.  Watch out for the ones that sound like a used car salesman.


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Not to belabor the issue of machine shops and my dilemma, but two more shops closer to my residence closed down. One closed down about 1 week ago, literally...I have to keep going further east of where I live...nothing but West Virginia woods and mountain sides west of where I live.

here is an e-mail from another shop located about 30 minutes away from me...

Daniel, Thanks for your inquiry as to our services!.  Sorry I took so long to get back to you,
we have been very busy for over a year now.  I am going to give the prices you requested and some others I thought you may need as well. 
Clean block only [wash]  80.00
clean complete engine  150.00
mag. block  30.00
mag heads  20.00
bore & hone block  250.00
align bore mains  300.00
R & R cam brgs  40.00
R & R  exp. plugs  25.00  [ includes oil gallery plugs] 
deck the block  150.00
reface lifters  - I can get it done OR get you new ones
Valve job  3 angle  250.00  both heads
surface both heads  100.00
You will need hard seats in the exh. valves [ unleaded gas]   approx. 125.00
polish crankshaft  40.00
balance rot. assm.  200.00
 
We can get parts for pretty much anything [ we do a lot of resto. work ] .  We would be happy to help you with your project. We don't cut corners or get no-name parts from
who-knows where. We specialize in doing it right!!!.  I also understand many people are on a budget so we try to advise you how best to spend your money to get the results you want. We have many satisfied customers [ stock & racing ]  and would be glad to add you to the list.  You can call or come by M - F  7:30 - 5:00  or Sat. 8:00-12:00.  We look forward to serving you soon!!.    Thanks again,   XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
 
This is more of a race shop, from what I understand. I do plan to visit their shop on Friday. Can't get over the price differences though. The Carquest shop I have been to before, and had a 312 crank ground their once, plus some light head work on another engine, etc. However, the shop has changed management again, and I have had issues with "staying on top" of things when it comes to Y block relevancy...guess everyone owns chebbies around here. Hehe Maybe staying on top of things is to be expected in the modern era.
 
A question about align boring the mains - anyone know why there might be such a large difference in pricing between the two shops?


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check out the 1955 Ford Fairlane build at www.hotrodreverend.com


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Yes Rono, it is going to go in my Sunliner one of these days...

C2AE block

  1. 312 crankshaft
  2. 312 standard bore cylinders
  3. C1TE rods
  4. isky camshaft (per oldmics and what is believed to be the blower camshaft specs - I know it's a can of worms, but I like the specs on this cam)
  5. 471 Heads - no mods as of yet
  6. hi ratio ford rocker arm assemblies per McMaster
  7. Rollmaster Timing gears and chain
  8. 4 barrel teapot (modified for blower use)
  9. 56 4 barrel "A" Intake manifold
  10. VS57C supercharger and passenger car bracketry/setup
  11. fenderwell exit headers (yep, I can hear the "all original" people griping now!)
  12. early 60's distributor modified for blower, with ACCEL pointless ignition

I am planning to run a T85 with R11 overdrive transmission...lots of plans...too much in the way right now. My son and I are putting new tires on the rear of his go kart, and we decided to blast the rims and paint them with a chrome metallic paint...fun stuff.

Daniel Jessup

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aka "The Hot Rod Reverend" w00t
check out the 1955 Ford Fairlane build at www.hotrodreverend.com


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Daniel;

Is this block for your blower motor or another build? Anyway, Gord McMillen convinced me that relieving the block would be a good plan for my blower motor project. This is something you could do with a right angle, front exhaust die grinder and good carbide burr.

Rono

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